The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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DrW wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:The plural of Lafferty is not Lafferties.

Duly noted and fixed.

Thanks for fixing the most important error in your post.

We are all the better for it. :rolleyes:
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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DrW wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:The plural of Lafferty is not Lafferties.

Duly noted and fixed.


You need to fix your assumption that K is a competent narrator. One only need read Anatoly whatever's competing work about K's Everest trip. K sells books and we'll.
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DrW wrote:
Yahoo Bot wrote:The plural of Lafferty is not Lafferties.

Duly noted and fixed.


YahooBot wrote:You need to fix your assumption that K is a competent narrator. One only need read Anatoly whatever's competing work about K's Everest trip. K sells books and we'll.

And we'll..... what? Do you have a plan for us? Also, I can't find Mr. 'whatever,' am I spelling his name correctly? Maybe a name needs capitalization?

Also, on what are you basing your statement about 'K'? I would be interested to know.
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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http://www.amazon.com/The-Climb-Tragic- ... 0312206372

I've read both books. There was bad blood between the two authors, but I don't think Anatoli's book shows that K is not a competent narrator.
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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Does anyone expect the Bundys to be disfellowshipped or excommunicated for their actions?

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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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Lemmie wrote:
Also, on what are you basing your statement about 'K'? I would be interested to know.


This: On one of my published reviews wherein one of the authors I reviewed relied upon K. Upon my research to conclude that he had the Gunnison Affair completely wrong. On my representation of one of the "Lafferties." Upon my reading of Anatoly's book. And so on and so on. He is not a historian. He is an author of popular books. He doesn't pretend to tell a story on the basis of consensus evidence, but instead tells his story on the most interesting evidence, even though it may have been discredited.

If you want to understand violence in Utah and Mormon Culture, read a historian's work. Will Bagley is more accurate than K.
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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I does not require an attachment to religious myth for some people to know and appreciate the uses of making some other person an "offer they cannot refuse".
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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Yahoo Bot wrote:
If you want to understand violence in Utah and Mormon Culture, read a historian's work. Will Bagley is more accurate that K.


This is why I never read "Under the Banner." It takes a lot to convince me to read a journalist's attempt at writing history (or anything that isn't journalism). Sally Denton's book is one of those books I put down and couldn't pick up again. And his Mormon Stories interview did not convince me that I need to bother with the Alex Beam book on Joseph Smith.

These books are clearly written with an eye towards profit, not historical understanding, which means one should be skeptical of their presentation and their interpretation if one values an accurate understanding of the past.
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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Yahoo Bot wrote:
You need to fix your assumption that K is a competent narrator. One only need read Anatoly whatever's competing work about K's Everest trip. K sells books and we'll.


I am not sure what you are getting with this Bob, but is sounds like you are still defending Lafferty.
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Re: The Brothers Bundy, Lafferty, and Mormon Myth

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DrW wrote:There was no remorse, of course, because the Lafferties truly believed in Brigham Young's Mormon myth of Blood Atonement.


If you honestly believe that a man had no remorse for brutally murdering a 15-month-old girl and her mother exclusively or primarily because of an outdated and long-rejected bit of doctrine then you are just grotesquely stupid.
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