Last week two young teachers get arrested

[_DoubtingThomas]

DoubtingThomas, should the severity of the sentences depend on how attractive the teachers are?

The severity of the sentences should depend on the actual mental or physical damage. What if there is none? Please see TYT video, they are making a lot of sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfvmNbECIg

[_Jersey Girl]

Would you condemn parents for allowing their 15 year old son to drive?

On public roadways? YES.

[_Jersey Girl]

This isn't a matter of two young girls behaving like the 19 year old boy having sex with his 16 year old girlfriend. This is a matter of two professionals violating every condition of their employment and their responsibility to and with their students as well as their parents.

I understand it is against the law Jersey Girl, but how harsh should be punishment be? Should they go to prison for years? Should they be in the sex offender for the rest of their lives?

Here two TYT reporters disagree that young attractive teachers deserve to go to jail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfvmNbECIg

They committed crimes. They KNOW they committed crimes.

They should suffer whatever consequences that the law provides for.

[Guest]

They committed crimes. They KNOW they committed crimes.

They should suffer whatever consequences that the law provides for.

Yes, they committed crimes Jersey Girl, they are going to suffer the consequences.

It is just my opinion that sometimes the consequences are too harsh, but my opinion is irrelevant. Lawmakers and judges decide.

I guess there is still a miracle of forgiveness Mormon in me.

[_Jersey Girl]

Another girl (22 years old) gets arrested. She"is charged with rape in the second degree, possession of child pornography and soliciting sex from a minor using technology". The girl is being charged with child porn because she, "admitted to the sexual relationship, as well as sending photos of herself in her bra and panties. She said she had received photos of the boy’s genitalia."

You don't think this is serious? This woman will never pass an FBI or state background check again in her life and she KNEW it when she did it.

[_Res Ipsa]

DoubtingThomas, should the severity of the sentences depend on how attractive the teachers are?

The severity of the sentences should depend on the actual mental or physical damage. What if there is none? Please see TYT video, they are making a lot of sense

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsfvmNbECIg

Sorry, I don’t do youtube when evaluating arguments. Can you tell me what they say that you find persuasive?

The problem here is that the degree of harm may not be apparent for some time. I’ve been involved in a case similar to these, and it did some real psychological damage to the young man.

When parents turn their children over to teachers, an expression part of the understanding is that the teacher won’t “F” the children. The punishment is severe in part because of the breach of trust.

[_Jersey Girl]

They committed crimes. They KNOW they committed crimes.

They should suffer whatever consequences that the law provides for.

Yes, they committed crimes Jersey Girl, they are going to suffer the consequences.

It is just my opinion that sometimes the consequences are too harsh, but my opinion is irrelevant. Lawmakers and judges decide.

I guess there is still a miracle of forgiveness Mormon in me.

Forgiveness has nothing to do with the law, DT.

The problem isn't the law. The problem is two immature and irresponsible teachers who couldn't restrain themselves from knowingly breaking the law.

They threw their teaching license out the window. They threw away at least 4 years of education. They'll never pass a background check ever again in their lives for ANY job they apply for that requires it.

And they KNEW it before they even did it.

[_Res Ipsa]

They committed crimes. They KNOW they committed crimes.

They should suffer whatever consequences that the law provides for.

Yes, they committed crimes Jersey Girl, they are going to suffer the consequences.

It is just my opinion that sometimes the consequences are too harsh, but my opinion is irrelevant. Lawmakers and judges decide.

I guess there is still a miracle of forgiveness Mormon in me.

You’re running into a common problem in criminal law. On the one hand, people have a right to equal treatment under the law. On the other hand, we all know there will be specific cases where applying the law in the same way to everyone will result in an unjust result. That’s a fundamental tension that runs throughout criminal law. I know you’ve been focused on sex crimes, but you’ll find it everywhere in criminal law.

Once upon a time, we handled this tension by giving wide latitude to judges in sentencing and lots of discretion to parole boards in prisons. Claims that judges and parole boards were being soft on crime resulted in changes that restricted the discretion of both. There’s not much room for forgiveness in the system.

[Guest]

Sorry, I don’t do youtube when evaluating arguments. Can you tell me what they say that you find persuasive?

It's okay, I agree youtube videos aren't authoritative sources. We must be careful. The TYT reporters are simply saying young teachers shouldn't go to prison.

The problem here is that the degree of harm may not be apparent for some time. I’ve been involved in a case similar to these, and it did some real psychological damage to the young man

Had the young man been 18 do you feel it would have made a difference? What is the evidence that sex caused him mental damage? Do you have medical reports? So even if true, why wouldn't the same thing apply to 18 year olds? Just a reminder the guy I was talking about is 17, I honestly can't see much difference.

The punishment is severe in part because of the breach of trust.

I understand, but it is also part of the war on sex. The belief the sex is an abomination does contribute, as it is well documented in the book https://www.dukeupress.edu/Assets/PubMa ... -5_601.pdf

As a human being do you feel the teachers need to go many years to prison and be homeless for the rest of their lives?

[_DoubtingThomas]

I know you’ve been focused on sex crimes, but you’ll find it everywhere in criminal law.

I understand. For example someone can get a ticket for smoking marijuana, but another person can go to jail for the same crime.

Do you agree there is a mass incarceration problem in the US? There is a war on sex and a war on drugs. There is a war on almost everything.

Once upon a time, we handled this tension by giving wide latitude to judges in sentencing and lots of discretion to parole boards in prisons. Claims that judges and parole boards were being soft on crime resulted in changes that restricted the discretion of both. There’s not much room for forgiveness in the system.

For Judge Michael Cicconetti it is a problem that too many people go to prison. In prison people learn to become criminals. After they get out of prison (and without a job) they commit more serious crimes.