Tax Cut and Jobs Bill gets immediate positive response

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Kevin Graham wrote:$1000 is a decent Christmas bonus but the company I previous worked for gave their hourly workers annual Christmas bonuses that ranged between $800-$3000 depending on seniority with the company. I do know that AT&T's union workers are very well paid with tremendous job security and benefits. So I'm just curious what their usual Christmas bonus was prior to this announcement.


The reporting on this is mixed with there being an argument that the distribution of funds was going to happen anyway based union negotiations and is now being used as part of a PR stunt to support a massive corporate tax cut. I personally don't think it strictly matters if that's true or not, because the correct lens to see this through is that a pittance of the windfall from lower rates is being referred to this this one-time bonus. A lot of companies are issuing PR statements similar to AT&T's with the same theme being "a small fraction of our anticipated windfall is going to worker compensation!" That's clearly meant to sell the cuts, but it's misleading unless put into proper context.

Mind you, I'm saying this as someone who supports a zero percent corporate tax rate. (Though I also favor a VAT instead). The relentless bad faith of politics on one side of the spectrum is exhausting.
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NOT BRIETBART ― Almost immediately after Congress passed legislation that will slash the corporate tax rate, AT&T announced that it would give a $1,000 bonus to 200,000 of its workers. That’s very nice for those workers.

It’s also a very convenient public relations move by AT&T, which is trying to buy Time Warner over the objections of the U.S. Department of Justice.

The Justice Department’s antitrust division filed a lawsuit on Nov. 20 to block AT&T’s $85 billion purchase of Time Warner. The federal lawyers argue that the vertical integration of one of the nation’s largest telecommunications firms with one of the nation’s largest media firms would limit competition and “greatly harm American consumers.”

Presumably with no thought of that legal struggle, AT&T CEO Randall Stephenson praised the president for making the $200 million in bonuses for his company’s employees possible. “Congress, working closely with the President, took a monumental step to bring taxes paid by U.S. businesses in line with the rest of the industrialized world,” Stephenson said in a statement.

President Donald Trump, in turn, praised AT&T. At a Rose Garden celebration after Congress finally passed the bill that will lower the corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent, Trump pointed to AT&T’s just-announced bonuses and said, “That’s because of what we did. So that’s pretty good. That’s pretty good.”

Trump’s previous statements about AT&T haven’t sounded nearly as friendly, specifically his comments opposing the attempted purchase of Time Warner.

“I’ve always felt that that was a deal that’s not good for the country. I think your pricing is going to go up,” the president said after the Justice Department filed suit against the merger. He added, “But I’m not going to get involved. It’s litigation.”

The $200 million cost of providing $1,000 bonuses to so many AT&T employees is actually a drop in the bucket for a company that saw pre-tax operating income of $6.4 billion in just the third quarter of 2017. The money will surely be welcomed by workers, although given as a bonus, the $1,000 is less than it sounds. Employee bonuses are taxed at a 25 percent rate, which is higher than most employees will pay on their ordinary income. Additionally, AT&T had already agreed in a union negotiation to provide $1,000 lump sum payments to 20,000 workers if they approve a new contract by Jan. 12.

AT&T, which did not immediately respond to a request for comment, was a major lobbying force in support of the tax legislation. It joined more than 30 other corporations ― including Aetna, Altria, Boeing, Ford, General Dynamics, Reynolds American and Verizon (which owns HuffPost) ― in the RATE Coalition, an astroturf lobbying group that has pushed for a corporate tax cut for years. It ran television ads in 2016 and purchased social media ads promoting the bill in recent weeks.
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Bach wrote:Son, you are way out of your league here. Why would anyone invest in capital assets through a 401 K? HELLO!

That’s why folks on this board need to seek out financial advice from people other than KG and EA!!!

Don’t have time for your needed tax/finance class on in this forum! You really are ignorant about investing and financial planning son.

Why don’t you throw a fellow business owner a bone here and share some advice with me? Are you too busy spending all of your time mocking Kevin and EA to make an actual contribution of wisdom?

There are several reasons why people don’t invest money in a 401(k) (and that is the way to refer to it—not “401 K”):

1- They don’t have access to a 401(k) because they don’t work for a company that offers one

2- They are saving for something other than retirement and need the money before reaching retirement age

3- The assets they want to invest in aren’t offered in a 401(k)

4- They hit the limits of their 401(k) and still have more money to save

The tax advantages of a 401(k) or IRA are enormous—especially for people in the higher tax brackets. That is why every working millionaire I know maxes out their IRA and 401(k) first, and then invests additionally after that.
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That’s awsome.
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Bach wrote:
Son, you are way out of your league here. Why would anyone invest in capital assets through a 401 K? HELLO!



My company matches my contribution up to 3%. That's an immediate 100% return on my investment. Is there a better investment strategy for that 3% of my salary?
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DarkHelmet wrote:
Bach wrote:
Son, you are way out of your league here. Why would anyone invest in capital assets through a 401 K? HELLO!



My company matches my contribution up to 3%. That's an immediate 100% return on my investment. Is there a better investment strategy for that 3% of my salary?


He's pretending to be a wealthy business owner, so the match would be irrelevant. It's just that he doesn't know that you max out a 401(k) (or IRA) always because of the tax implications.
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DarkHelmet wrote:
Bach wrote:
Son, you are way out of your league here. Why would anyone invest in capital assets through a 401 K? HELLO!



My company matches my contribution up to 3%. That's an immediate 100% return on my investment. Is there a better investment strategy for that 3% of my salary?


Absolutely one of the best strategies you can pursue. Just keep chipping away at it, memorize the rules of your plan like it was tatooed on the back of your hand, and if you have extra look for a historical, in my opinion, index fund that has a good track record (between 9 & 11% because I'm a pussy). If you get a little extra cash here and there look overseas, or risk it on a biscuit here at home.

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goddamit is getting richer all that matters? What about funding for scientific and medical research?
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