I can't hear you.

[_Jersey Girl]

I have no idea what the message was, MeDotOrg. Some signs were moaning about their perceived wage gap. Others were about Trump's crap hole comment. Others were celebrating their vaginas. Other signs were to let us know, apparently, women are going to exist in 2020. Others were telling the bogeyman Patriarchy to kill itself. Others were talking about their clitoris. Some talked about gay women, others blamed White women for stuff, and another suggested we're in a Black Mirror episode.

So if you're going to be pedantic and ask me if the marchers were there "to thank Trump" then I don't really know how to interact with you right now.

What I'm saying in no uncertain terms is this women's march was a muddled mess of competing themes that make them look foolish, dumb, entitled, and concurrently mentally ill. Basically 3rd Wave Feminism summarized nicely.

- Doc

If there is a developed mandate, I have yet to see it. I think that's why it comes off in the ways that you described.

[_Jersey Girl]

I'm of two minds on these marches.

One: I feel embarrassed because it comes off as irrational and that's what a significant portion of the male population expects from women. I also don't like that they're largely relying on celebrities to do the talking. Mainly because I'm sick of the concept of celebrity in general. Or maybe it's just celebrities that are just getting the camera time?

For once, just once, I'd like to see a regular woman take the mic, fill the camera, and emerge as one of the visionaries that this country so sorely needs.

Two: I feel a sense of admiration for them because while they're out there taking it to the streets all over the nation, I'm sitting on my butt in a warm house on a snowy day with my movies playing, talking about it on an obscure message board with all my creature comforts, my safety, no risk taking involved and here I am just yapping about it making no contribution whatsoever.

[_Res Ipsa]

News are reporting "Women's March in Orlando to urge women to run for office, organizers say".

Why only to run for office? Why don't feminists also urge women to study science and engineering? We need more women as scientists and engineers. For me science and engineering are more important than running for office. In all honesty what a sexist agenda from the feminists, all they care about is women ruling over men.

They do urge women to become scientists and engineers. Why would you think that they don’t?

[_DoubtingThomas]

They do urge women to become scientists and engineers. Why would you think that they don’t?

Probably, but I didn't find anything in news reports about 2018 women's march urging women to go for science and engineering.

[_DoubtingThomas]

but if feminists are urging women to go for science and engineering then I will retract my statement.

[_Res Ipsa]

I'm of two minds on these marches.

One: I feel embarrassed because it comes off as irrational and that's what a significant portion of the male population expects from women. I also don't like that they're largely relying on celebrities to do the talking. Mainly because I'm sick of the concept of celebrity in general. Or maybe it's just celebrities that are just getting the camera time?

For once, just once, I'd like to see a regular woman take the mic, fill the camera, and emerge as one of the visionaries that this country so sorely needs.

Two: I feel a sense of admiration for them because while they're out there taking it to the streets all over the nation, I'm sitting on my butt in a warm house on a snowy day with my movies playing, talking about it on an obscure message board with all my creature comforts, my safety, no risk taking involved and here I am just yapping about it making no contribution whatsoever.

I think you see celebrities so much because the media pays attention to them. I don’t think there were any celebrity speakers at the rally before the Seattle march included any celebrities.

I saw the March in Seattle. What I saw was hundreds of thousands of women and men speaking their minds on things that matter to them. That seems to me to be a perfectly rational way to express concern about what’s going on in one’s country. I don’t there is anything for you to be embarassed about.

[_EAllusion]

They do urge women to become scientists and engineers. Why would you think that they don’t?

Probably, but I didn't find anything in news reports about 2018 women's march urging women to go for science and engineering.

This is essentially the anti-feminist equivalent of when racists criticize civil rights protests by complaining that they should be focusing on black on black crime in Chicago.

It's possible to both have a political movement focused on things like increasing female representation in government and, at other times, encourage greater female participation in STEM fields.

[_Jersey Girl]

News are reporting "Women's March in Orlando to urge women to run for office, organizers say".

Why only to run for office? Why don't feminists also urge women to study science and engineering? We need more women as scientists and engineers. For me science and engineering are more important than running for office. In all honesty what a sexist agenda from the feminists, all they care about is women ruling over men.

DT let me throw this at you as an example of what you're looking for. :-D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Who_Code

[_DoubtingThomas]

DoubtingThomas let me throw this at you as an example of what you're looking for. :-D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girls_Who_Code

Good! My favorite type of women! My GF is studying Electrical Engineering

[Guest]

This is essentially the anti-feminist equivalent of when racists criticize civil rights protests by complaining that they should be focusing on black on black crime in Chicago.

Is it wrong to disagree with the feminist movements? There are many intellectuals that disagree with it, including atheists. I am very skeptical of the feminist movement because of it's nonsensical accusations such as the gender wage gap or "rape culture". According to politifact the gender wage gap claim is nonsense, in fact I would argue that female waitresses make more money than males. According to fact checkers the rape culture accusation (1 in 4 women) is just a myth. So yea I am very skeptical of the feminists movement because women already have the same rights as men, we are no longer in the 1930s.

Listen, I mostly hear about the feminists movements trying to get more women to office. But I never hear about feminists campaigns to encourage women to go for science and engineering. You know, I was a Bernie Sanders volunteer. I knocked doors for Sanders, and we knocked the doors of potential Democratic primary voters. As a group we realized that many were just voting for Clinton because she was a woman, even the girls in our group could see that.

It's possible to both have a political movement focused on things like increasing female representation in government and, at other times, encourage greater female participation in STEM fields.

Well, I hope I hear about campaigns encouraging female participation in STEM fields. We need more women in office.