For Gods sake watch this & get off your asses

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So the tweets, the chaos, the outlandish comments, and even the accumulation of obvious lies are intended to produce resistance fatigue?

It's assigning busy work to the American public to make us "check out" and stop paying attention?
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And the endgame is global power and control by the few, fueled by greed?
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If you follow the link to the timestamp in my post above, I think the argument that it's about surrendering one's sovereign ability to recognize truth to the authoritarian leader he is spot on.
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honorentheos wrote:If you follow the link to the timestamp in my post above, I think the argument that it's about surrendering one's sovereign ability to recognize truth to the authoritarian leader he is spot on.


I started where the speaker was speculating that the Trump/Putin meeting was akin to the Yalta conf.
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honor, aussie was point us to the woman from Duke U. Did you watch what she said about the Koch bros? The 17th Amendment, etc?
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Jersey Girl wrote:
honorentheos wrote:If you follow the link to the timestamp in my post above, I think the argument that it's about surrendering one's sovereign ability to recognize truth to the authoritarian leader he is spot on.


I started where the speaker was speculating that the Trump/Putin meeting was akin to the Yalta conf.


I assumed that is where aussieguy wanted us to check in based on the claim in the OP. I've listened to about the third of the episode and would argue that the time is better spent if you start at the discussion over Trump's attack on the press. This is a little arbitrary but if one is only going to listen to a couple of minutes of it, this is a good summary. I'd suggest listening well past it but here is the part I'm referencing:
https://youtu.be/u_kLokBpd0Y?t=1539

A bit later the statistics are brought up that we are living in a time when only 25% of those born in the 1980's believe it is important that we live in a democracy.
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I watched from approx. your time stamp to the end. I'll start from the beginning as I have time.
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So thanks, aussie. The blood just drained out of my brain, through my heart and is now pooling around my feet and caused a feeling of utter dread and exasperation.

All this time. All this time people have said how stupid and incompetent Trump is, what an ignorant buffoon, basically what an idiot. If any or all of this is true, then Trump is either stupid enough to allow himself to be used as foil unawares, or he is a better actor than anyone ever gave him credit for and smart enough to assume the role of clown and distractor, to play his part in the end game which looks to me (not being close to politically savvy) to be erosion of the Constitution, power and control on a global level shared between scant few wealthier than God power brokers, and basically "what's in it for me" and he has found it.

Maybe I have got this wrong, but I don't think that I do.
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Personally, I think we are the victims of his vanity. He was so deeply in debt before the Russian oligarchs bailed him out and began buying up Trump properties that the writing was on the wall but he couldn't bear to face it. In that position, given the choice between turning on his Country or being public seen as a failure and facing personal bankruptcy, he chose to give up his Country to other interests.

He doesn't have an end game, the Russians do. He's a pawn, if a very well and public pawn. His vanity is the leverage they use against him. But he has smart, informed people who know the right things to say, the right buttons to push, have seen the electorate seeded with the kinds of messages that made this all possible. He's the mouthpiece, and probably not the ideal one at that. But the groundwork, the system is making him effective. The 35% of people who wouldn't care if he shot someone have been groomed to hate the very things necessary to prevent this sort of thing from happening. Hate the media and distrust facts or science? Check. Believe government is against the common person and should be dismantled as much as possible? Check. Intellectuals who promote ideas that might explain our situation being elitists who just want to lord over everyone? Check. Check. Check.
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Continuing monologue...the problem here is that we don't know if this is conspiracy theory or truth. And how do we distinguish between the two? Does this require us to distinguish between the two at all since we know what we do see and hear on a daily basis, and when most of us know we're headed in the wrong direction?
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