Trump is a Threat to National Security

[_Dr Exiled]

Congress doesn't even have the unredacted Mueller report because Barr decided against it, but Trump is briefing the Russians on it.

I think they should get the unredacted report. Why hide it when it just fuels speculation that something is being hidden when unnecessary? However, don't they already have access to the redacted information from the various committee investigations?

[_Dr Exiled]

What do you those of you here that are against Trump talking to Russia think of this RT article from 2013 where Russians were complaining of our interference with Russian affairs through NGO's? https://www.rt.com/russia/ngo-russia-us-funding-094/

Shouldn't presidents talk to Russia? Peace is a good thing and communication seems to promote this.

[_honorentheos]

Two issues highlight why you're missing critical aspects of what's going on, exiled.

First, Trump has frequently talked privately with Putin specifically excluding any American translator while needing Putin's translator. And second, they seem to share the view the Mueller investigation started out as Trump being screwed but ending up being a mouse where they ignore the facts stated in said report.

It's not about diplomacy. This is...irregular.

[_EAllusion]

But we have Trump telling us he called Putin up, assuming using only a Russian interpreter loyal to Putin as he does because all the deep state Americans who could translate can't be trusted with the information

That's a highly generous reading of Trump's motives for why he has met with Putin and his people on several occasions without Americans to record and observe.

[_honorentheos]

It would be even if one believed in the deep state. But then, why does a deep state translator pose an issue to Trump's ability to talk with Putin who would have his own translator there preventing the deep state translator pushing the military-industrialist agenda and preventing Trump bringing about world peace which would expose and blow the lid off the whole deep state conspiracy? It's a mystery.

[_EAllusion]

It would be even if one believed in the deep state. But then, why does a deep state translator pose an issue to Trump's ability to talk with Putin who would have his own translator there preventing the deep state translator pushing the military-industrialist agenda and preventing Trump bringing about world peace which would expose and blow the lid off the whole deep state conspiracy? It's a mystery.

I was just noting you are imputing a relatively positive motive to Trump compared to other possibilities. Maybe Trump doesn't want American records of his meetings with Putin because they are discussing things that undermine US interests for his personal benefit and he doesn't want that known. His mixture of lying and extreme defensiveness regarding these meetings certainly don't put one at ease that this isn't happening. I don't think it makes sense to ascribe the motive you did given the lack of evidence for it. That's all.

[_honorentheos]

Hmmm. You make a good point. So good, me in the past would like to keep the comment but now ask it be read as if it were written with sarcastic intent.

[_Dr Exiled]

Two issues highlight why you're missing critical aspects of what's going on, exiled.

First, Trump has frequently talked privately with Putin specifically excluding any American translator while needing Putin's translator. And second, they seem to share the view the Mueller investigation started out as Trump being ____ but ending up being a mouse where they ignore the facts stated in said report.

It's not about diplomacy. This is...irregular.

Frequently? I thought it was only once. So, what do you think was discussed? What benefit is going to Russia or Putin as a result? Trump? It seems much ado about nothing. Also, the Mueller investigation came up pretty empty with no walls closing in on Trump as relentlessly advertised. Unfortunately, the long drawn out investigation will probably benefit Trump in that there might be some unhelpful results of the counter investigation the Democrats will have to face and if that turns up nothing, Trump will certainly ride the no collusion train as long as he can and that may result in bozo getting elected again.

I seriously think it's time to move on to the issues the people want discussed. Sure, watch Trump like a hawk as we should with all public officials, but, let's tackle the monopoly/oligarchy problem that keeps prices too high, the endless wars, stagnate wages, healthcare, etc.

[_honorentheos]

I see you've yet to read Moneyland.

So, would at least five times change your view?

[_Dr Exiled]

I see you've yet to read Moneyland.

So, would at least five times change your view?

Take a close look at Trump as we should with all leaders. If there is evidence of a quid pro quo, I'd like to hear it. If you have it, then let us know.