My Interview on Mormon Book Reviews

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great interview, you do a great job telling a dynamic story but without rambling. And so even though it was a long interview, it moved along nicely. I hope that you see a UAP because I like UAP stories, but UAP witnesses tend to be terrible YouTube presenters.

My impression is that you gamed the Mormon system perfectly. You weren't trying to do that, it just sort of happened due to your personality being so perfect for Mormonism while not buying into it.

I loved your quote ~Catholics say the Pope is perfect but don't believe it while Mormons say the prophet isn't perfect but don't believe it. Total classic. Total burn on SeN.

I have no idea who that teacher was that you said was a student of Nibley's who went off into fundamentalism land, but he isn't the only one. I was acquainted with someone who did similar things -- worse things; he was also friends with Hugh Nibley. From the little you said, these are certainlyh distinct professors. PM if you want more information; I don't care about that guy, but I can't burn others by telling the story here.

I don't know if you were there for it, but Ed Decker showed up at ZLMB and posted a few times. I welcomed him. You should tell him to post on SeN under his real name -- as respectfully as possible, of course.

Your story with the counter-cult is interesting. Prior to my mission I came across that stuff. Because I was reading Mormon church books, I became interested in anti-lit, but at one of my pre-mission temp jobs, a born again guy witnessed to me and gave me a bunch of anti-lit. And so receiving it from someone challenging you is different than peeking at books in a book store because it was referenced by FARMS. I think I exaggerate the degree to which I've said in the past it strengthened my faith. Certainly, much of it was easy to debunk or didn't need to be debunked because it appeals to prejudices of Christians. But a few zingers stuck with me over time in a bad way. But yeah, you definitely have a white field if you want to write informed anti-lit.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:54 am
great interview, you do a great job telling a dynamic story but without rambling. And so even though it was a long interview, it moved along nicely. I hope that you see a UAP because I like UAP stories, but UAP witnesses tend to be terrible YouTube presenters …
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I started to watch late last night, and I am very eager to pick up where I left off. With a 6 am flight to SLC for Sunstone, I had to cut it short, but it was difficult to tear myself away. I know we barely overlapped at BYU in the same department and section but did not meet each other. What a story you have, Jack! And I just saw the first few minutes! It has been wonderful associating with you over the years and watching your family grow and change. It has also been exciting to follow your graduate education thus far. I look forward to addressing you as Dr.!
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I managed to download a copy of your thesis "As God is, woman may become? Women and the Mormon Doctrine of Exaltation.

Chapter 2 "Despite many modern polemical assertions to the contrary, the Bible offers no clear, definitive consensus on either the question of whether God possesses gender or the question whether human beings will possess one in the next life' P. 15 if one accepts the resurrection would not that body display the equipment that one died with?

How did Maxine Hanks your external reader react to your theses?

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MsJack:

If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to be interviewed for the Washington Post and featured on PBS Religion and Ethics?
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Thanks for the kind comments! I will respond more tomorrow, but I can answer this one really quick:
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Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:34 pm
If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to be interviewed for the Washington Post and featured on PBS Religion and Ethics?
Naomi Schaefer Riley reached out to me, having apparently found my blog on interfaith marriage. At the time she said the article was for the New York Times; it wound up running in Washington Post instead.

The producers of R&E Newsweekly saw my interview in Washington Post and reached out to me about a spot in their segment on Interfaith Divorce. We were kind of the happily married foil to the feuding Catholic-Jewish couple. Seems ironic now.

Definitely the closest I've come to a brush with fame, although if my dissertation work winds up picked up by any of the Christian publishers who have expressed interest, perhaps I'll get a few more interviews then.

Kishkumen, I hope you have a great time at Sunstone! I'm so jealous, I'd love to hear Kristin Du Mez, but my annual conference budget is reserved for ETS these days. Maybe next year.
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Ms Jack, I enjoyed your interview, thankyou. I hope you continue your project of relating to Mormonism aiming at clarity and understanding instead of hostility. Best wishes for that as well as your other professional goals.
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Gadianton wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:54 am
great interview, you do a great job telling a dynamic story but without rambling. And so even though it was a long interview, it moved along nicely. I hope that you see a UAP because I like UAP stories, but UAP witnesses tend to be terrible YouTube presenters.
I may be out of the loop here---what does UAP stand for? (I Google'd it and got a bunch of stuff about UFOs...)

TEDS is slowly teaching me to be a better public speaker and presenter though. I'm glad to hear it's working.
Gadianton wrote:I loved your quote ~Catholics say the Pope is perfect but don't believe it while Mormons say the prophet isn't perfect but don't believe it. Total classic. Total burn on SeN.
Nothing I said in the interview was intentionally directed at DCP or SeN, but I think this particular shoe fits a lot of LDS people and places (The Not Even Once Club [!]). Mormons tend to valorize and downplay flaws in their leaders, but the Gospels actually present the Twelve as rather big screw-ups. It's supposed to be to God's credit that he can make use of weak, screwed-up people like us.
Gadianton wrote:I don't know if you were there for it, but Ed Decker showed up at ZLMB and posted a few times. I welcomed him. You should tell him to post on SeN under his real name -- as respectfully as possible, of course.
Yes, I remember this. If I recall correctly, he was nice then, too, but the LDS apologists chased him off. (He commented on my blog over a decade ago and I was pretty rude to him; again, I was surprised at how nice he was in response. It's such a stark contrast to the LDS apologists.)
Gadianton wrote:Your story with the counter-cult is interesting. Prior to my mission I came across that stuff. Because I was reading Mormon church books, I became interested in anti-lit, but at one of my pre-mission temp jobs, a born again guy witnessed to me and gave me a bunch of anti-lit. And so receiving it from someone challenging you is different than peeking at books in a book store because it was referenced by FARMS. I think I exaggerate the degree to which I've said in the past it strengthened my faith. Certainly, much of it was easy to debunk or didn't need to be debunked because it appeals to prejudices of Christians. But a few zingers stuck with me over time in a bad way. But yeah, you definitely have a white field if you want to write informed anti-lit.
I think a lot of evangelical anti-Mormon literature also argues things from the perspective of "look how Mormons contradict the Bible," but this is not persuasive to Mormons. That's applying a very evangelical paradigm to Mormons, who, push comes to shove, will just say it's mistranslated. It takes a very holistic approach, and you really have to avoid doing things that will trigger those omnipresent persecution complexes.

It's good hearing your stories, Gad. I'll send you a DM on the professor.
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MsJack wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:02 pm
Thanks for the kind comments! I will respond more tomorrow, but I can answer this one really quick:
Tom wrote:
Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:34 pm
If you don't mind me asking, how did you come to be interviewed for the Washington Post and featured on PBS Religion and Ethics?
Naomi Schaefer Riley reached out to me, having apparently found my blog on interfaith marriage. At the time she said the article was for the New York Times; it wound up running in Washington Post instead.

The producers of R&E Newsweekly saw my interview in Washington Post and reached out to me about a spot in their segment on Interfaith Divorce. We were kind of the happily married foil to the feuding Catholic-Jewish couple. Seems ironic now.

Definitely the closest I've come to a brush with fame, although if my dissertation work winds up picked up by any of the Christian publishers who have expressed interest, perhaps I'll get a few more interviews then.

Kishkumen, I hope you have a great time at Sunstone! I'm so jealous, I'd love to hear Kristin Du Mez, but my annual conference budget is reserved for ETS these days. Maybe next year.
Well deserved. Your professionalism and composure were top notch
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