Christian Patriotism

[Binger]

Welcome back, Binger.

How you doing? What is new and great and interesting?

[drumdude]

Welcome back, Binger.

How you doing? What is new and great and interesting?

Life has been great despite my unbelief. Adding to the family has been incredibly satisfying and rewarding.

I highly recommend living as a Mormon, just without the belief. I wholeheartedly agree with Dan on the value of a nuclear family, abstaining from alcohol, fidelity to one’s spouse, etc. It’s a good way to live.

[Binger]

How you doing? What is new and great and interesting?

Life has been great despite my unbelief. Adding to the family has been incredibly satisfying and rewarding.

I highly recommend living as a Mormon, just without the belief. I wholeheartedly agree with Dan on the value of a nuclear family, abstaining from alcohol, fidelity to one’s spouse, etc. It’s a good way to live.

But what about R rated movies and binge-watching Deadwood?

Good to hear you are happy and well. Don't take any more advice from Dan, unless he recommends a great place to Falafal or something.

[Kishkumen]

Kishkumen, I read the short article you linked. It intentionally misunderstands, distorts, and then insults the idea of secularism.

I was wondering why the article saw bad atheists as politically left. In the real world there are conservative secularists as well as other political inclinations. Ayn Rand has followers and she hated religion and would be disgusted by the article.

Progressives are currently living off borrowed capital, but that capital is quickly drying up as the clown car that is secularism rampages through our country, upending all that is good and noble. The result is a moral wasteland where the true underpinning of freedom is lost.

Like a Trump quote, it is so messed up it is hard to relate to.

Or is it odd that the main moral wasteland I see is the rabid portion of Trumpism?

I agree to an extent. It is hyperbolic, and I don’t agree with its simplistic way of seeing the interrelationship between secularism and Christianity in Western culture. That said, the way a lot of popular secular discourse ignores or denies the contribution of Christianity to our culture is, I believe, perilous.

[Kishkumen]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Kishkumen makes a clear point that this statement would have multiple inspirational sources. Christianity may be a part of that but the statement is not from the Bible and clearly fits secular thought. I may believe it fits Christian faith but people have been very open to ways of expressing Christianity in direct rejection of these thoughts. I wonder if this person calling secularism a clown car even vaguely agrees with Jefferson's proposal.

This post may be a second failure of mine to open a line of discussion.

Good question, huckelberry. That rhetoric about the “clown car of secularism” is juvenile and has no place in serious discourse.

Yeah, you are right, much more is going on in the thinking of the founders than Christianity as understood by most believers today. A lot of them might consider men such as Jefferson heretics or apostates.

[drumdude]

Life has been great despite my unbelief. Adding to the family has been incredibly satisfying and rewarding.

I highly recommend living as a Mormon, just without the belief. I wholeheartedly agree with Dan on the value of a nuclear family, abstaining from alcohol, fidelity to one’s spouse, etc. It’s a good way to live.

But what about R rated movies and binge-watching Deadwood?

Good to hear you are happy and well. Don't take any more advice from Dan, unless he recommends a great place to Falafal or something.

Most Mormons I know outside of the bubble watch an R-rated movie or two. Even our favorite apologist saw Oppenheimer and its set of unclothed female breasts.

He does seem to eat at enough restaurants that I’d trust his reviews!