#1 NYT best seller "Original Sin"

[canpakes]

The point is that according to Tapper, Fox news and the right wing media got it correct, while the other outlets, such as CNN, CNBC, ABC and left wing media failed.

All media are liar to their cause, but not on everything, it can be tested, if one has the strength to do so.

Was Biden mentally fit for office? If the answer is no, then Fox news got it right, and if yes, then Fox news got it wrong, and now Jake Tapper and by default all the left wing medias that are agreeing with what Fox was saying all along, are liars like Fox news.

Why do you think Joe Biden should not have run again?

Markk, what I'm saying is that your suggestion that we should have all listened to Fox News, the Obama Birth Certificate channel, to get any of our news is [insert expletive here]. You saying that all news outlets are "liars to their cause" is like looking to heaven and intoning that "we're all sinners," when the conversation turns to Ted Bundy. The reason that folks don't listen to Fox News is because it has exhausted its credibility. There's no moral equivalency here.

And no, I'm not a shill for liberal media. If you had given the example of a credible conservative outlet like the Wall Street Journal, you'd probably have had little push back from me.

To that point, FDR experienced more than two decades of media reports about the status of his health and fitness for office, from as early as 1921 and right up until he died in 1945.

Regardless of Markk having initiated three threads now related to this issue, I don’t see the concern to be a serious one as opposed to merely being a distraction from the current Administration and its dysfunction, which -ironically- seems to be acting much more chaotically and irrationally than the one it replaced and that he is complaining about. At the end of the day, had Harris been escorted in to the Oval Office to replace Biden at some point and assume the Presidency, there is no criteria by which that process would play out that would not also be fodder for more conspiratorial Fox News/right wing blather, as well as Harris herself then getting excoriated for supposedly not being fit for the job. There is no ‘preferred’ option in any of this. Markk wouldn’t be able to commit to identifying one, and neither would anyone else in that cohort.

[Gunnar]

To that point, FDR experienced more than two decades of media reports about the status of his health and fitness for office, from as early as 1921 and right up until he died in 1945.

Regardless of Markk having initiated three threads now related to this issue, I don’t see the concern to be a serious one as opposed to merely being a distraction from the current Administration and its dysfunction, which -ironically- seems to be acting much more chaotically and irrationally than the one it replaced and that he is complaining about. At the end of the day, had Harris been escorted in to the Oval Office to replace Biden at some point and assume the Presidency, there is no criteria by which that process would play out that would not also be fodder for more conspiratorial Fox News/right wing blather, as well as Harris herself then getting excoriated for supposedly not being fit for the job. There is no ‘preferred’ option in any of this. Markk wouldn’t be able to commit to identifying one, and neither would anyone else in that cohort.

I have not yet had the opportunity to read Tapper's book, but I'm not yet committed to doing so, because I agree with you that whatever Tapper revealed therein, it is mainly a ". . .distraction from the current Administration and its dysfunction, which -ironically- seems to be acting much more chaotically and irrationally than the one it replaced and that he [meaning, Markk] is complaining about."

Like it or not, as has already been pointed out by honorentheos and others, there is a very long list of well documented, positive accomplishments of the Biden administration that are worth celebrating and praising.

[Markk]

The point is that according to Tapper, Fox news and the right wing media got it correct, while the other outlets, such as CNN, CNBC, ABC and left wing media failed.

All media are liar to their cause, but not on everything, it can be tested, if one has the strength to do so.

Was Biden mentally fit for office? If the answer is no, then Fox news got it right, and if yes, then Fox news got it wrong, and now Jake Tapper and by default all the left wing medias that are agreeing with what Fox was saying all along, are liars like Fox news.

Why do you think Joe Biden should not have run again?

Markk, what I'm saying is that your suggestion that we should have all listened to Fox News, the Obama Birth Certificate channel, to get any of our news is [insert expletive here]. You saying that all news outlets are "liars to their cause" is like looking to heaven and intoning that "we're all sinners," when the conversation turns to Ted Bundy. The reason that folks don't listen to Fox News is because it has exhausted its credibility. There's no moral equivalency here.

And no, I'm not a shill for liberal media. If you had given the example of a credible conservative outlet like the Wall Street Journal, you'd probably have had little push back from me.

One more time.

Fox news reported that Biden was in mental decline before the 2020 election. They just did and that is a fact. They reported from day one of his presidency, that is just a fact.

The left wing media however supported that Biden was on top of his game.

Morning Joe said of Biden in 2024 "Better than he has ever been" https://youtu.be/0pb6xXuU5wM?t=79

While Fox was reporting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsySL_MHtpQ&t=38s

Then the left backed Biden ..... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-demo ... er-debate/

Then the forced him out..... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... tep-aside/

Now many are turning on him and saying there was cover up.

Morley....this is all the truth. It happened, and is happening. Fox got it right all along.

You said it was a bad idea for Joe to run again.....why?

[Marcus]

Regardless of Markk having initiated three threads now related to this issue, I don’t see the concern to be a serious one as opposed to merely being a distraction from the current Administration and its dysfunction, which -ironically- seems to be acting much more chaotically and irrationally than the one it replaced and that he is complaining about...

Couldn't agree more.

[Morley]

Markk, what I'm saying is that your suggestion that we should have all listened to Fox News, the Obama Birth Certificate channel, to get any of our news is [insert expletive here]. You saying that all news outlets are "liars to their cause" is like looking to heaven and intoning that "we're all sinners," when the conversation turns to Ted Bundy. The reason that folks don't listen to Fox News is because it has exhausted its credibility. There's no moral equivalency here.

And no, I'm not a shill for liberal media. If you had given the example of a credible conservative outlet like the Wall Street Journal, you'd probably have had little push back from me.

One more time.

Fox news reported that Biden was in mental decline before the 2020 election. They just did and that is a fact. They reported from day one of his presidency, that is just a fact.

The left wing media however supported that Biden was on top of his game.

Morning Joe said of Biden in 2024 "Better than he has ever been" https://youtu.be/0pb6xXuU5wM?t=79

While Fox was reporting this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsySL_MHtpQ&t=38s

Then the left backed Biden ..... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-demo ... er-debate/

Then the forced him out..... https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joe-biden- ... tep-aside/

Now many are turning on him and saying there was cover up.

Morley....this is all the truth. It happened, and is happening. Fox got it right all along.

You said it was a bad idea for Joe to run again.....why?

Markk, I'll see your condescending 'One more time" and raise you one.

I'm not discussing why I thought Biden should not have run again. I'm talking about your suggestion that we should all have trusted Fox News.

Your inference is that we all should have listened to Fox News because they were right about Biden's decline. (Though I'm not at all sure that they were indeed right at the early dates when they started carping--for argument's sake, I'll concede the point that they may have been right this time.)

My rejoinder is that even a stopped clock is occasionally right--and Fox News has been a stopped clock for most of this century. They have not only reported the news wrong, they have often done so knowingly and fraudulently. Like the child who calls wolf too many times, they've lost all credibility except among Donald Trump's most ardent sycophants.

Let's say that you have a creepy uncle who always tries to get you to invest in his failing and fraudulent businesses. Just because, years later, he finally gets a profitable bitcoin scheme going doesn't mean you should have been listening to him all along.

So no, we should have not paid attention to what Fox News was saying.

[honorentheos]

The boy who cried wolf comparison is apt. Fox and other right-biased outlets have made the saying, "every accusation a confession" de rigor.

Markk, do you think reports on Trump's mental fitness are politically motivated? Have you considered why you automatically assume they are?

[honorentheos]

As for Tapper, having heard an interview I get the impression he feels shamed from the exchange with Laura Loomer and this is his attempt to reconcile that with what he sees as a failure as a journalist. He is also making money off the book so there is that. But I accept that he feels he became too caught up in the partisan fighting where it interfered with his journalism. I tend to agree. While hiding Biden's condition is no where near the dismantling of the institutions of Democracy underway, I expected better and am disappointed.

[Some Schmo]

It's impossible to take the concern over the accusation seriously when Trump has been acting like an addled child since he became famous.

Maybe Biden has been in mental decline. If anyone talking about it truly cared about that, they'd be losing their mind over Trump's incompetence, but they don't, so they aren't serious. It's all political BS.

Of course, this is the 18 billionth time I've mentioned that Trump fans are liars by necessity.

[Markk]

Markk, I'll see your condescending 'One more time" and raise you one.

I'm not discussing why I thought Biden should not have run again. I'm talking about your suggestion that we should all have trusted Fox News.

Your inference is that we all should have listened to Fox News because they were right about Biden's decline. (Though I'm not at all sure that they were indeed right at the early dates when they started carping--for argument's sake, I'll concede the point that they may have been right this time.)

My rejoinder is that even a stopped clock is occasionally right--and Fox News has been a stopped clock for most of this century. They have not only reported the news wrong, they have often done so knowingly and fraudulently. Like the child who calls wolf too many times, they've lost all credibility except among Donald Trump's most ardent sycophants.

Let's say that you have a creepy uncle who always tries to get you to invest in his failing and fraudulent businesses. Just because, years later, he finally gets a profitable bitcoin scheme going doesn't mean you should have been listening to him all along.

So no, we should have not paid attention to what Fox News was saying.

Hi Morley,

I am not sure why you are hesitant to say why you thought that Biden should not have run again. My guess is that you, like most of the rest of the world saw that he was in mental decline; like the right wing media was seeing even before he won the presidency in 2020. My guess is also that you understand that if you were to be open here with that reason, then it would be a very personal example for you that Fox news and other right wing agencies got his mental decline correct.

Morley, In regard to the right wing media, and Fox news, I am not asking you to like, respect, watch, listen to, or that you should have trusted them. I am just stating that they got his obvious decline correct, very early, while the left wing did not, and now I will add that you concede that Fox news, like a blind squirrel finding a nut, was correct for 5 years or more that Biden was in mental decline.

So given your conceding this, and left wing media and left wing politicians admitting it one way or another, can you also concede that there very well could have been a cover up for his mental health by both the White House and the media?

by the way, you mentioned the WSJ....I would argue they are neither right wing or left wing, and that they are corporation wing, but in regard to your earlier comment.... https://www.Facebook.com/SkyNewsAustral ... 984415693/

[Markk]

The boy who cried wolf comparison is apt. Fox and other right-biased outlets have made the saying, "every accusation a confession" de rigor.

Markk, do you think reports on Trump's mental fitness are politically motivated? Have you considered why you automatically assume they are?

I think all reports from news agencies for the most part are politically motivated these days, and they play to their base for financial reasons. Pundits coming and going testify to that. I have both the luxury and burden of over a three hour commute most work days, and I listen to all kinds of podcasts and AM talk radio....left, right, and center, then, right or wrong form my opinions.

In regards to Trump....you have to admit the guy is tireless. He is active, and whether you like his bloviating or not, I certainly don't, although some are very funny, ....he is mentally sharp, quick witted, and again a tireless worker and physically and mentally fit.

To your specific question, can you give a specific example?

I posted this on another thread, I recommend watching it in regard to his being fit enough for his age physically, and you will have to make your own assessment of his mental health.