Relief Society prez Julie Beck the new "June Cleaver"?

[_Gazelam]

Your wife has expressed a desire to go back to work. But you can't have that, it would be too inconvenient for you because you might have to help out

How can I help out when I'm across town? I help out plenty when I'm home.

Perhaps she can make sure she bides her time in between emergencies by doing needlepoint, or perhaps making chocolate chip banana bread.

That would be great. Let me know if oyu have any spar epatterns or recipies I can recommend to her.

Regardless, you do expect there to be dinner warm and on the table every night when you come home.

I get home from work around 1 o'clock. Sadly, there is never any lunch prepared for me.

And why is it that you get to determine what is misplaced or not?

Because I am an Elder in the House of Israel and I have heard the Prophets voice. You should try it sometime, it gives oyu a great deal of clarity (The listening to the prophets voice part)

And do we get to judge God the Father in the same manner?

By nature of the fact that he is a God means he has passed his day of judgement and is now exalted.

[_Infymus]

By nature of the fact that he is a God means he has passed his day of judgement and is now exalted.

So now your God gets to do whatever he wants, without recourse or further judgment. This includes as many wives as he wants, creating prisons to house those who disagree with him. It includes human rights violations on a incalculable scale, murder, morbid violence and more.

And Harmony here just can't understand why I'd stand before your God and tell him to F*CK off. She thinks that just because I will have some kind of magical "pure" knowledge that he is God, I'll suddenly just get down and kiss his beautiful white and delightsome feet.

Well he can kiss my white and delightsome ass.

[_Gazelam]

By nature of the fact that he is a God means he has passed his day of judgement and is now exalted.

So now your God gets to do whatever he wants, without recourse or further judgment. This includes as many wives as he wants, creating prisons to house those who disagree with him. It includes human rights violations on a incalculable scale, murder, morbid violence and more.

And Harmony here just can't understand why I'd stand before your God and tell him to F*CK off. She thinks that just because I will have some kind of magical "pure" knowledge that he is God, I'll suddenly just get down and kiss his beautiful white and delightsome feet.

Well he can kiss my white and delightsome ass.

The prisons are self created, because they have an inability to bear the light of Christ/Spirit of the Lord they cannot physically stand or dwell in the everlasting burnings God himself dwells in. If they were obedient to the laws of the gospel, they could stand alongside their Father, but they choose to dwell seperately from him by their own free will. They construct their own prisons.

The children that were destroyed were those who were incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ, and therefore had to be washed/burned away to cleanse the field for new healthy growth. The same as when a farmer burns a field to prepare for new planting.

I thought you had studied the gospel.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Gaz... :-)

The children that were destroyed were those who were incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ, and therefore had to be washed/burned away to cleanse the field for new healthy growth. The same as when a farmer burns a field to prepare for new planting.

Gaz... do you realize how dangerous you sound?

Seriously, this sounds like a terrorist... you know, "God wants us to destroy these people to rid the world of the ungodly."

To be honest, the mindset, that God wants non-believers destroyed, has got to be the worst bit of pretend God given information in the history of humankind.

This belief sounds like something from a horrible, egomaniac, power hungry, immature, primitive, sick and perverted human dictator rather than the God of the Universe.

Maybe there is a reason for this? ;-)

~dancer~

[_Chap]

By nature of the fact that he is a God means he has passed his day of judgement and is now exalted.

So now your God gets to do whatever he wants, without recourse or further judgment. This includes as many wives as he wants, creating prisons to house those who disagree with him. It includes human rights violations on a incalculable scale, murder, morbid violence and more.

And Harmony here just can't understand why I'd stand before your God and tell him to F*CK off. She thinks that just because I will have some kind of magical "pure" knowledge that he is God, I'll suddenly just get down and kiss his beautiful white and delightsome feet.

Well he can kiss my white and delightsome ass.

The prisons are self created, because they have an inability to bear the light of Christ/Spirit of the Lord they cannot physically stand or dwell in the everlasting burnings God himself dwells in. If they were obedient to the laws of the gospel, they could stand alongside their Father, but they choose to dwell seperately from him by their own free will. They construct their own prisons.

The children that were destroyed were those who were incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ, and therefore had to be washed/burned away to cleanse the field for new healthy growth. The same as when a farmer burns a field to prepare for new planting.

I thought you had studied the gospel.

What a relief to the rest of us that:

(a) Your religion is obviously (to 99% of those who hear about its details) a 19th century fiction, with little more relation to reality than the Lord of the Rings.

(b) Your ability to destroy those "incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ" on God's behalf is strictly limited to an unhealthy little power fantasy going on inside your own head.

It really is a just a bit pathetic.

[_Blixa]

Good lord, Gaz. You've become rather adept at proving the other side's point for them with these posts.

I don't believe in god, but I don't care if others want to believe in an all-loving parental entity. I can certainly see how comforting that could be for many. What I don't get, and what frightens and appalls me is when people acquiese to belief in the guy William Blake called "Nobodaddy:" the psychotic, jealous, punishing, petty tyrant of the Old Testament (and beyond) whose reign has produced the very opposite of what it claims.

Blake's poem "London" (feel free to retitle it Salt Lake City, or Las Vegas or just about anywhere in EuroAmerican christianity) is still worth quoting in this regard. It obviously one of my favorites since I took a phrase from it for the title of my board blog. When I read your response to Infymus, in fact, it sprang to mind and when I used to hear hateful, suffocating messages for women like the one under discussion in this thread, I also used to find solace and even hope in this poem. Blake, who was afterall a deeply religious man, was absolutely accurate in his assessment of the sick joke of "organized" religion:

I wander through each chartered street,
Near where the chartered Thames does flow,
A mark in every face I meet,
Marks of weakness, marks of woe.

In every cry of every man,
In every infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear:

How the chimney-sweeper's cry
Every blackening church appals,
And the hapless soldier's sigh
Runs in blood down palace-walls.

But most, through midnight streets I hear
How the youthful harlot's curse
Blasts the new-born infant's tear,
And blights with plagues the marriage hearse.

[_Infymus]

The prisons are self created, because they have an inability to bear the light of Christ/Spirit of the Lord they cannot physically stand or dwell in the everlasting burnings God himself dwells in. If they were obedient to the laws of the gospel, they could stand alongside their Father, but they choose to dwell seperately from him by their own free will. They construct their own prisons.

The children that were destroyed were those who were incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ, and therefore had to be washed/burned away to cleanse the field for new healthy growth. The same as when a farmer burns a field to prepare for new planting.

Absolutely disgusting Gaz. Typical religious bullsh*t. No wonder I turned my back on God - I have more humanity and love in my little pinky than God does.

But remember, somebody else also wanted to burn away the field for healthy growth.

[_harmony]

The children that were destroyed were those who were incapable of accepting the teaching of Christ, and therefore had to be washed/burned away to cleanse the field for new healthy growth. The same as when a farmer burns a field to prepare for new planting.

I thought you had studied the gospel.

The teachings of men, Gaz. Surely you're in tune with the spirit enough to be able to decipher the difference between the teachings of God and the teachings of men, even when they're in the same book? Just because a book is old doesn't mean it contains what it claims to contain: the word of God. Men of old were just like men today: power hungry, greedy, proud, arrogant. And those are the men who composed the Old Testament.

As for Infymus... you will be given exactly what you deserve. It is something to look forward to.

[_The Nehor]

And do we get to judge God the Father in the same manner? By the testimony of the children? He probably ought to brace himself before I come up to testify. And I'm not even one of those people he drowned or burned.

I love this Trinity. Mention the ability of man to judge God and watch Mormons squirm. They can't fathom it. It's like saying why can't women hold the Priesthood? Because "it isn't the way things are."

The idea of judging God is ridiculous. If he created us then he gave us our moral yearnings. We can't judge him as he would have given us the ability to judge and he would have at least the moral compass we have.

You can declare that God doesn't exist but to suggest that a Creator God is unjust is illogical.

[_Infymus]

As for Infymus... you will be given exactly what you deserve. It is something to look forward to.

I was going to respond to this, but I figure I'll end up in some long winded debate with you telling me how I just don't get it.