Re: Defenders of the Faith on MDB who have the best arguments

[_Chap]

No. I said I was the IT director. You said that position doesn't exist, as far as you can tell. And you can't tell, because great pains have been taken to make sure that you and people like you don't know and that you never know.

As I told Belmont a long time ago, it does not appear to be difficult to see an up-to-date listing of staff connected with IT at Stamford Hospital. You just have to sign up to the right service, say something like Jigsaw.com (it's free), and you get names, with a list of job titles, department and levels like this:

Administrator of Technology IT & IS Staff
Analyst IT & IS Staff
Back Office Engineer IT & IS Staff
Chief Quality Officer IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Department Director IT & IS Director-Lev...
Director, Infrastructure Service ... IT & IS Director-Lev...
Information Systems Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Information Technology Contract S... IT & IS Staff
Information Technology Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Management Information Systems Ma... IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Network Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
President Systems/Data Processing IT & IS C-Level
Radiology Department IT & IS Staff
Security Administrator IT & IS Staff
Senior Vice President of Informat... IT & IS VP-Level
Systems Analyst IT & IS Staff
Systems Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Top Level Information Technology ... IT & IS Director-Lev...
Vice President of Information Tec... IT & IS VP-Level
pacs admin IT & IS Staff

Of course I have left the names out. But what is so devilishly secret about a list like that, I wonder?

Ah ... I get it. There is a real, totally undercover and totally cool IT department for which the one you can see is a mere blind. And Belmont is Director of that.

But I am not bothered much one way or another, I am relieved to say.

[_Doctor Scratch]

Well done, Chap. You can practically hear the "whooosh!"-ing sound as the hot air gushes out of Simon's story.

[_Simon Belmont]

As I told Belmont a long time ago, it does not appear to be difficult to see an up-to-date listing of staff connected with IT at Stamford Hospital. You just have to sign up to the right service, say something like Jigsaw.com (it's free), and you get names, with a list of job titles, department and levels like this:

Administrator of Technology IT & IS Staff
Analyst IT & IS Staff
Back Office Engineer IT & IS Staff
Chief Quality Officer IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Department Director IT & IS Director-Lev...
Director, Infrastructure Service ... IT & IS Director-Lev...
Information Systems Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Information Technology Contract S... IT & IS Staff
Information Technology Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Management Information Systems Ma... IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Network Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
President Systems/Data Processing IT & IS C-Level
Radiology Department IT & IS Staff
Security Administrator IT & IS Staff
Senior Vice President of Informat... IT & IS VP-Level
Systems Analyst IT & IS Staff
Systems Manager IT & IS Manager-Leve...
Top Level Information Technology ... IT & IS Director-Lev...
Vice President of Information Tec... IT & IS VP-Level
pacs admin IT & IS Staff

Of course I have left the names out. But what is so devilishly secret about a list like that, I wonder?

Ah ... I get it. There is a real, totally undercover and totally cool IT department for which the one you can see is a mere blind. And Belmont is Director of that.

But I am not bothered much one way or another, I am relieved to say.

The list doesn't include contractors and consultants who are technically self employed, but spend the majority of their time at this particular hospital. Ask Gadianton or Schryver.

And that is all I will allow you to know.

[_Doctor Scratch]

The list doesn't include contractors and consultants who are technically self employed, but spend the majority of their time at this particular hospital. Ask Gadianton or Schryver.

And that is all I will allow you to know.

Which means, of course, that all that's needed is a quick phone call or email. Your lies have been exposed yet again.

[_Chap]

This is strange.

Ages ago Belmont told us that he was IT Director at Stamford Hospital. I don’t know why he did this. At the time I thought it was imprudent for anyone who evidently wished to post anonymously, and told him so. He ignored me.

Just a day or so ago he was back at it:

No. I said I was the IT director. You said that position doesn't exist, as far as you can tell. And you can't tell, because great pains have been taken to make sure that you and people like you don't know and that you never know. That must bother you deeply.

I then posted a list of jobs in IT at Stamford Hospital, easily available to anyone for online view at jigsaw.com. I left out the names. The job titles included (see above):

Department Director IT & IS
Director, Infrastructure Service
President Systems/Data Processing
Vice President of Information Technology

Mindful, however of the likely response from Belmont, I concluded by saying:

But what is so devilishly secret about a list like that, I wonder?

Ah ... I get it. There is a real, totally undercover and totally cool IT department for which the one you can see is a mere blind. And Belmont is Director of that.

And in response (surprise!) what we get back from Belmont is:

The list doesn't include contractors and consultants who are technically self employed, but spend the majority of their time at this particular hospital. Ask Gadianton or Schryver.

And that is all I will allow you to know.

Yup, I get it: the suggestion is that the Director of the IT Department at Stamford Hospital (remember that's Simon Belmont, according to him) is not the guy with the apparently empty title “Department Director” of IT, whose identity is publicly available. It’s a ‘self-employed consultant’ who just spends most of his time there. And he is totally secret. Only the President knows his identity.

That’s even cooler than I expected! I mean, like X-files, Roswell, Area 51 and stuff! When will this be a Major Motion Picture with Russell Crowe starring in the role of SB?

[_The Nehor]

The list doesn't include contractors and consultants who are technically self employed, but spend the majority of their time at this particular hospital. Ask Gadianton or Schryver.

And that is all I will allow you to know.

Which means, of course, that all that's needed is a quick phone call or email. Your lies have been exposed yet again.

This is the hypocritical nutjob who went crazy at the idea that someone would hire a PI to find his identity. Perhaps I should reconsider that course of action. The small dollop of money it would cost would be more then compensated for by the meltdown we'd get to see.

Something to think about anyway.

[_Chap]

Speaking of Dr Scratch, The Nehor favors us with this:

This is the hypocritical nutjob who went crazy at the idea that someone would hire a PI to find his identity. Perhaps I should reconsider that course of action. The small dollop of money it would cost would be more then compensated for by the meltdown we'd get to see.

Something to think about anyway.

I am not responsible for what Dr Scratch posts. But surely the cases of Belmont and Scratch are a little different?

As my post, quoted below, points out, Belmont has stated explicitly where he works and what his job title is, and made various boasts about how difficult it would be even to tell whether such a job title existed, a boast which seems difficult to substantiate - see my post below, in which I have refrained from listing names available to anyone online. It seems quite legitimate to point out that it takes some propositional versatility to reconcile Belmont's claims with the facts. But that is not an unfamiliar situation ... (remember the "I have all your IP addresses"/"I never said I have all your IP addresses" fiasco?).

Dr Scratch has not made any online statements about his in real life identity at all, so far as I can tell. Finding out information about his real-life identity and posting it here would therefore be a simple violation of board rules, wouldn't it?

This is strange.

Ages ago Belmont told us that he was IT Director at Stamford Hospital. I don’t know why he did this. At the time I thought it was imprudent for anyone who evidently wished to post anonymously, and told him so. He ignored me.

Just a day or so ago he was back at it:

No. I said I was the IT director. You said that position doesn't exist, as far as you can tell. And you can't tell, because great pains have been taken to make sure that you and people like you don't know and that you never know. That must bother you deeply.

I then posted a list of jobs in IT at Stamford Hospital, easily available to anyone for online view at jigsaw.com. I left out the names. The job titles included (see above):

Department Director IT & IS
Director, Infrastructure Service
President Systems/Data Processing
Vice President of Information Technology

Mindful, however of the likely response from Belmont, I concluded by saying:

But what is so devilishly secret about a list like that, I wonder?

Ah ... I get it. There is a real, totally undercover and totally cool IT department for which the one you can see is a mere blind. And Belmont is Director of that.

And in response (surprise!) what we get back from Belmont is:

The list doesn't include contractors and consultants who are technically self employed, but spend the majority of their time at this particular hospital. Ask Gadianton or Schryver.

And that is all I will allow you to know.

Yup, I get it: the suggestion is that the Director of the IT Department at Stamford Hospital (remember that's Simon Belmont, according to him) is not the guy with the apparently empty title “Department Director” of IT, whose identity is publicly available. It’s a ‘self-employed consultant’ who just spends most of his time there. And he is totally secret. Only the President knows his identity.

That’s even cooler than I expected! I mean, like X-files, Roswell, Area 51 and stuff! When will this be a Major Motion Picture with Russell Crowe starring in the role of SB?

[_The Nehor]

Dr Scratch has not made any online statements about his in real life identity at all, so far as I can tell.

He has made a very few but I'm not sure how accurate he was when he made them.

Finding out information about his real-life identity and posting it here would therefore be a simple violation of board rules, wouldn't it?

Indeed it would. I wouldn't post it here. Just distribute the information to others through different channels.

Priced a few PI's this morning.

[_Chap]

Priced a few PI's this morning.

Danites are not what they were ...

[_Simon Belmont]

Dr Scratch has not made any online statements about his in real life identity at all, so far as I can tell.

By piecing together small bits of data mined from years of MDB archives, I have discovered Scratch's identity. Although I feel it inappropriate to parade this identity without Scratch's consent, anyone is free to use the search feature and data mine as I have done. To start you off, here is a conversation with Ray A. from 2007:

Ray A: Have you been published?

Scratch: Yes

Ray A: If so, where?

Scratch: I’m not going to say. My publications don’t really have any bearing on any of the discussions we have here.

Ray A: What is your academic background, if any?

Scratch: I hold four degrees. I can’t imagine how or why you would need to know more than that.

Ray A: Are you American?

Scratch: Yes

Ray A: Are you male, or female?

Scratch: This doesn’t matter, and, as I have said elsewhere, it is a bad idea to disclose your gender within such a highly patriarchal culture such as Mormonism.

Ray A: Are you a member of the Church? Active? Inactive? Exmo? What?

Scratch: I was born into the Church. I will leave it at that.

Ray A: Are you married? Do you have children?

Scratch: This is totally irrelevant to anything.

Granted, of course, that we have no way of verifying is this particular conversation is truthful or not unless we cross reference it with other available data.