Romney claims Israelis culturally superior to Palestinians

[_Droopy]

Wow. Roughly half of the country belongs to a "deviant subculture" according to Drippy. What a moonbat.

Sure they do. Most of the country, and too many LDS, are residing in the Great and Spacious Building as well. Not because they know they are doing so, or necessarily are trying to support such, but because of being blinded and disoriented by the "subtle craftiness of men" and who are "only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it—(D&C 123:12).

When I say "Democratic party," I don't necessarily mean all of its rank and file members. I mean the party itself, its ideological and political leadership, its intellectuals, and the gaggle of special interest groups and identity groups that compose its base.

[_Droopy]

Well, I do agree with Droopy that the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is unlikely to have a happy ending although certainly not for the reasons he stated. For one thing, Droopy keeps on referring to "muslims" in a grand collective sense, which completely ignores the profound religious, linquistic, racial and cultural schisms within Islam.

You should start reading my posts, please. That way, you won't misrepresent them. I'm always very careful to say "fundamentalist" Islam, "Islamism," "Jihadism," and "Islamofascism," in all my writing. When I do use a generic term such as "Arab/Muslim society," it is to underscore that the dividing line between Islamism and "mainstream" Islam is not always clear, and that many of the ideas found in Wahhabi and political Islam are, indeed, in one form or another, prevalent throughout the Middle Eastern Muslim world.

The main reason I am pessimistic is that I just don't see how we are ever going to get Likudniks and Hamas to ever agree on anything. I firmly beleive that Ehud Barak gave the Palestinians the best offer that they are ever going to get in 2000 and, to his eternal shame, Arafat turned it down.

His "eternal shame?" This seems to imply that Yassar Arafat was ever anything other than a genocidal, anti-Semitic fantasist who ever had any desire or plan for anything other than endless war with the Jews until they were obliterated. I think that would be ahistorical, and without basis.

But hey, I hope I'm wrong. After all, who would have guessed in 1950 that France and Germany would ever become such tight-knit allies after fighting each other for thousands of years.

Yes, but Germany had to be pulverized, occupied, forcible de-Nazified, and dragged without remorse into the modern, civilized Western world. Present multicultural ideology, if consistent, would never have condoned that project, and especially not with Japan.

[_Kishkumen]

Sure they do. Most of the country, and too many LDS, are residing in the Great and Spacious Building as well. Not because they know they are doing so, or necessarily are trying to support such, but because of being blinded and disoriented by the "subtle craftiness of men" and who are "only kept from the truth because they know not where to find it—(D&C 123:12).

So, basically everyone who does not interpret Mormonism as you do is unwittingly in the thrall of Satan.

Gotcha.

When I say "Democratic party," I don't necessarily mean all of its rank and file members. I mean the party itself, its ideological and political leadership, its intellectuals, and the gaggle of special interest groups and identity groups that compose its base.

Oops! Doesn't seem like you have left many people out there.

[_Morley]

But, one of the more notable things that Droopy is encouraging everyone to "deep reading on" is his belief that men are inherently superior to women in the workplace and encouraging national policy that keeps men at work and women in the kitchen. That's bad economic culture in addition to being brutally sexist.

You've opened yourself up to a CFR on this one, so jump to it, Delusion.

I'll be waiting patiently.

''...men are inferior sexually...but they are superior in the workplace and in the great creative ventures outside the family circle. This has been true throughout human history and always will be true. The denial of it is perverse and destructive because men do have an absolutely central role in society that is commensurate with, yet different from, the familial role of women." --George Gilder, Freedom from Welfare Dependency

[_Droopy]

So, basically everyone who does not interpret Mormonism as you do is unwittingly in the thrall of Satan.

Gotcha.

No. Everyone who does not interpret the gospel of Jesus Christ and the doctrines of his Church as the First Presidency and The Twelve interpret them, is in the thrall of Satan, some witting, some not. Many not.

When I say "Democratic party," I don't necessarily mean all of its rank and file members. I mean the party itself, its ideological and political leadership, its intellectuals, and the gaggle of special interest groups and identity groups that compose its base.

Oops! Doesn't seem like you have left many people out there.

I just left out the vast majority of the American population. The fact that you apparently believe that great concourses of Americans actually subscribe to most of the bizarre, extreme, core beliefs of the Democratic intelligentsia and activist base belie your own equally extreme disconnection from reality.

[_Kishkumen]

No. Everyone who does not interpret the gospel of Jesus Christ and the doctrines of his Church as the First Presidency and The Twelve interpret them, is in the thrall of Satan, some witting, some not. Many not.

Which is how you interpret it, obviously.

I just left out the vast majority of the American population. The fact that you apparently believe that great concourses of Americans actually subscribe to most of the bizarre, extreme, core beliefs of the Democratic intelligentsia and activist base belie your own equally extreme disconnection from reality.

I think the problem is that you identify fairly popular stances with what is bizarre, extreme, and so forth, and then try to have it both ways.

[_Droopy]

No. Everyone who does not interpret the gospel of Jesus Christ and the doctrines of his Church as the First Presidency and The Twelve interpret them, is in the thrall of Satan, some witting, some not. Many not.

Which is how you interpret it, obviously

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I have always, my entire life, attempted, to the best of my ability, to follow the prophets, and keep the Iron Rod within my grasp, throughout all my studies of philosophy, psychology, politics, history, whatever.

I think the problem is that you identify fairly popular stances with what is bizarre, extreme, and so forth, and then try to have it both ways.

Oh, something like convenience abortion on demand is popular, no doubt. What I'm getting at is that, if one looks at the actual academic/activist (and especially academic) theoretical justifications of unrestricted abortion, the substantial majority of Democratic voters would be mind numbed and disoriented by them.

People have various reasons why they would support many of the classic (post sixties) Democratic policies and ideological claims, but many of those are not intellectual in nature, but venal, emotional, and self serving, and the Democratic party has evolved into a party that speaks to and has its base within the basest passions and self-serving motives of the human heart and mind.

[_EAllusion]

At the very least Mr. Romney is a Statesman and does not seem to be a political liar. He says what he believes and believes what he says and doesn't seem to be speaking out of both side of his mouth.

Uh, Romeny's initial speech:

If you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it’s this: culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference. And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things.

After Romney initially got raked over the coals for it, he said he did not speak about the Palestinian culture or the decisions made in their economy.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162- ... n-culture/


Then a few hour later, already getting raked over the coals for that obviously untrue statement, he then released an op-ed that said:

During my recent trip to Israel, I had suggested that the choices a society makes about its culture play a role in creating prosperity, and that the significant disparity between Israeli and Palestinian living standards was powerfully influenced by it. In some quarters, that comment became the subject of controversy. But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/31 ... itt-romney

You could not have picked a less apt defense of Romney here both in this specific case and in general.

[_Kishkumen]

I have always, my entire life, attempted, to the best of my ability, to follow the prophets, and keep the Iron Rod within my grasp, throughout all my studies of philosophy, psychology, politics, history, whatever.

And so you are confident in your ability to detect heresy in others and therefore marginalize them.

Check.

Oh, something like convenience abortion on demand is popular, no doubt. What I'm getting at is that, if one looks at the actual academic/activist (and especially academic) theoretical justifications of unrestricted abortion, the substantial majority of Democratic voters would be mind numbed and disoriented by them.

People have various reasons why they would support many of the classic (post sixties) Democratic policies and ideological claims, but many of those are not intellectual in nature, but venal, emotional, and self serving, and the Democratic party has evolved into a party that speaks to and has its base within the basest passions and self-serving motives of the human heart and mind.

So, since you impugn Democrats morally, then you can call what they stand for marginal, no matter how many people support it, and yet you are only condemning a minority of them in doing so.

You are a confused mind.

[_Cicero]

Yeah, don't hold your breath. DCP never corrects people on his own team publicly, no matter how revolting their behavior.

The one main exception to this is ignorant, ugly statements towards Muslims. DCP tends to be all over that no matter who is saying it. I think declaring Islam a non-religion would more than qualify for that in DCP's mind. DCP would respond to this kind of stuff if he were posting here.

EAIllusion is absolutely correct, which is why I called out DCP's name. I have more than once seen him defend Muslims from the likes of bcspace and Droopy. In my lifetime I have met two Mormons who know more about Islam than I do, and he is one of them (and he knows FAR more than I do). And to his credit, Dan has in fact responded to Romney's remarks:

http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/6234/romney_on_israel%3A_more_gop_than_lds/

Here is a good quote:

“If I could sit down and talk to him,” said Peterson, “I’d like to say, but Governor, remember, the Palestinians are too from our point of view theologically descendants of Abraham, and they deserve concern and consideration too.” While a Latter-day Saint would believe, as Romney claimed, that “the hand of Providence” is on Israel, Peterson cautioned, “I would be really careful about saying that in a political context, I would really want to balance it out if I were speaking publicly as a politican to express concern and support for legitimate Palestinian aspirations.” Peterson said he worried about Romney’s statements because “I don’t want Mormons to be seen as so pro-Israeli that we discount actual grievances that I think in some cases the Palestinians really have.”

Everyone on this board should know by now that I am generally not a fan of Dr. Peterson, but I also like to give credit where it is due.