What Do People Here Believe?

[Res Ipsa]

Yes.

Meanwhile, the ridiculous slash mis-use continues to be a thorn. Inconsequential and dumb, yes, which makes me wonder if he does it on purpose to irritate, or if he really is that bad at the written word. I suppose the humane assumption would be the latter.

I really don't notice it. I think I mentally substitute "or" for it almost reflexively.

I'm perfectly willing to believe he had a period of questioning or wavering in his faith, but to claim that he was in the same place as Doc or me or any of us who gave up Mormonism assumes way too much on his part.

[MG 2.0]

I have not come to this point without having travelled a similar path that others here have described and settled themselves in/at.

This is hubris.

Are you settled in your ways in regards to the church?

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

[cor MG] to claim that he was in the same place as Doc or me or any of us who gave up Mormonism assumes way too much on his part.

Maybe. Maybe not.

All I can say is I was in a place where I truly doubted the existence of God and therefore whether ANY church or belief system could possibly be True. That’s it in a nutshell. Much more to it, but that encapsulates it.

My guess is that others of you stayed in that place or in a similar place.

Regards,
MG

[Res Ipsa]

[cor MG] to claim that he was in the same place as Doc or me or any of us who gave up Mormonism assumes way too much on his part.

Maybe. Maybe not.

All I can say is I was in a place where I truly doubted the existence of God and therefore whether ANY church or belief system could possibly be True. That’s it in a nutshell. Much more to it, but that encapsulates it.

My guess is that others of you stayed in that place or in a similar place.

Regards,
MG

That's your hubris talking. Based on the many posts you've made that address nonbelievers, it's crystal clear to me that you haven't been where I've been. Not ever close.

[MG 2.0]

Maybe. Maybe not.

All I can say is I was in a place where I truly doubted the existence of God and therefore whether ANY church or belief system could possibly be True. That’s it in a nutshell. Much more to it, but that encapsulates it.

My guess is that others of you stayed in that place or in a similar place.

Regards,
MG

That's your hubris talking. Based on the many posts you've made that address nonbelievers, it's crystal clear to me that you haven't been where I've been. Not ever close.

That response is one you are obligated to make in order to protect yourself and your beliefs/non beliefs. To remain secure.

Acknowledging that others have been through a trial of faith and come out the other end WITH faith rather than a lack thereof is anathema.

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

[Res Ipsa]

That's your hubris talking. Based on the many posts you've made that address nonbelievers, it's crystal clear to me that you haven't been where I've been. Not ever close.

That response is one you are obligated to make in order to protect yourself and your beliefs/non beliefs. To remain secure.

Acknowledging that others have been through a trial of faith and come out the other end WITH faith rather than a lack thereof is anathema.

Regards,
MG

More hubris topped with your newest thought-stopping cliché. Nothing that happens with respect to someone else's faith is anathema to me. Of course people go through trials of faith and retain their faith. That's so obvious that it's hard to understand why it's even worth mentioning.

But it's this kind of utterly clueless remark that you direct toward me and other people who are not of faith that tells me loud and clear that you've never been anywhere near where I've been. If you had, you'd be able to honesty and accurately describe my experience. You've never been able to do that, and you never will because you have no idea what it is actually like.

The notion that your faith journey -- or anyone else's -- is some kind of threat to me is absurd. It reflects a judgmental arrogance totally lacking in empathy or compassion. There is a near-infinite variety of human journeys and they are not limited to faith journeys. Few are arrogant enough to claim that theirs is some kind of threat to their fellow humans.

[Marcus]

That's your hubris talking. Based on the many posts you've made that address nonbelievers, it's crystal clear to me that you haven't been where I've been. Not ever close.

That response is one you are obligated to make in order to protect yourself and your beliefs/non beliefs. To remain secure.

Acknowledging that others have been through a trial of faith and come out the other end WITH faith rather than a lack thereof is anathema.

Regards,
MG

I think you mean

”That response is one I am obligated to make in order to protect myself and my beliefs/non beliefs. To remain secure...”

Your level of projection and the detail you provide about it is fascinating.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

That response is one you are obligated to make in order to protect yourself and your beliefs/non beliefs. To remain secure.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

…you've never been anywhere near where I've been. If you had, you'd be able to honesty and accurately describe my experience. You've never been able to do that, and you never will because you have no idea what it is actually like.

The notion that your faith journey -- or anyone else's -- is some kind of threat to me is absurd. It reflects a judgmental arrogance totally lacking in empathy or compassion. There is a near-infinite variety of human journeys and they are not limited to faith journeys. Few are arrogant enough to claim that theirs is some kind of threat to their fellow humans.

We, of course, are not identical. Our experience will not be exactly the same. And I can only speak for myself. I did upthread. In a nutshell fashion of speaking. Imagine, if you can, what I went through thinking/knowing that all I had been taught and what I had learned growing up in regards to my faith was a fabricated farce. Can you empathize with that?

For you to allude to the possibility/fact(?) that your faith killing experiences were somehow superior and/or more profound than mine…well, that’s hubris.

But I’m not going to argue the point. The fact is, we both went through a period of time where we came to a perceived realization that the faith of our fathers was point in fact, false.

But the fact is, time goes on. I had experiences and kept asking questions. And I’m not saying you didn’t. All I CAN say is that over a long period of time I came back to a place where faith plays a part in my worldview.

Others may settle in a place where they don’t return to a place of faith.

That’s ALL I’m saying. To be accused of hubris is ludicrous. At least from where I’m sitting.

Regards,
MG