Mormonism and the Trinity

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_Daniel Peterson
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Re: Mormonism and the Trinity

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Roger Morrison wrote:IF I understood Prof. Peterson correctly, in his answers to BartBurk, he personally does not endorse the Creation Story, nor the characterization and involvement of those supposedly given and obeying the instructions by Elohim to do the deed...??? I might have misread him???

You misread me.

Roger Morrison wrote:But as for The Trinity, to attempt to placate traditional Christianity (or Mormons) by suggesting there is little difference in their's and the LDS's Trinity Story is stretching imagination to its limit!

Nor did I do that.
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Daniel Peterson wrote:I realize that the interest here will be, at most, minimal, but some might perhaps care -- if only to mine it for "evidence" of my supposed nastiness, vengefulness, dishonesty, resentment, and rage -- to know about an article that, despite the date given on the periodical, I've just published in the journal of the Society for Mormon Philosophy and Theology:

Daniel C. Peterson, "Mormonism and the Trinity," Element 3/1-2 (Spring/Fall 2007): 1-43.

The concluding paragraph of the article reads as follows:
Latter-day Saints and other Christians will continue to disagree on many things. But, if I'm correct, the doctrine of the Trinity need not loom quite so large among them.


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I placed this OP close to my previous post so that you--Dr.P. might see how I could conclusion jump that the Trinity, you suggest, will, "...not loom large between them."
Depending how one takes this, I could say, "I agree!"

That is if/when both LDS & EVs see the absurdites of the whole Trinitarian concept, taught in each School, there will be agreement that the theological premise of "Three-In-One" is irrelevant to the Humanitarian Social Gospel (of love/union) Jesus died presenting...
Then, both groups will be placated...

I hope You will appreciate my not-minimal-interest in this topic. As a person of influence you are in a position to, "...bring to pass much righteousness..." As a "scholar," set aside your ego. The "nastiness" you engage, is in response to your expectations, then you may experience the credibility you deserve/expect???
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Re: Mormonism and the Trinity

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Taken from DCP's post :

[Roger Morrison wrote:
IF I understood Prof. Peterson correctly, in his answers to BartBurk, he personally does not endorse the Creation Story, nor the characterization and involvement of those supposedly given and obeying the instructions by Elohim to do the deed...??? I might have misread him???

You misread me.



Then obviously you do endorse the Temple portrail of Creation as true, and worthy of belief in all aspects and in all of its detail??? (Including Eve from Adam's rib?)???
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Re: Mormonism and the Trinity

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Gadianton wrote:Just to help the apologists out here a little, if you want to make friends with the EVs a) you've got to forsake Skinny-L tactics no matter how deserving you think some EVs are. b) you need to quit trying to be "one of them". If I were FLDS, I would not write:

FLDS and other LDS will continue to disagree on many things. But, if I'm correct, the doctrine of (fill in blank) need not loom quite so large among them.


The LDS don't want the FLDS to be one of them anymore than Evangelicals want LDS associated with them. A better tactic would be to emphasize less theological agreements. The prop 8 charade was pure brilliance.

In fact, as far as human nature goes, if FARMS were able to show that LDS and EVs are very similar theologically, and if they are right, it will only piss of the EVs more. (that's why posters at MAD get banned for showing FLDS to be similar to LDS).


Interesting comments Gadianton:

Illustrated here is the continuing evolution of Protestant reform. Each group wants to insist that its interpretation is correct over all the other interpretations. It’s not only marketing, it’s an attempt to assert it’s dogma as superior or absolutely correct as opposed to all other myth dogmas.

Similarity is an anthem to warring religious myths. The thrust of the Protestant Reformation began an articulation of differences, not similarities.

You are surely correct that: “The LDS don't want the FLDS to be one of them anymore than Evangelicals want LDS associated with them.” It is no less the case that various other Protestant groups wish to disassociate themselves from groups with which there may be much similarity. As you likely well know, various (many) Baptist groups (for example) which identify themselves by different names actually have much in common. Yet, they compete (marketing) for allegiance to their particular group/organization.

While most people don’t recognize religion as a competitive area, the fact is that it is competitive.

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JAK wrote:Interesting comments Gadianton:

Illustrated here is the continuing evolution of Protestant reform. Each group wants to insist that its interpretation is correct over all the other interpretations. It’s not only marketing, it’s an attempt to assert it’s dogma as superior or absolutely correct as opposed to all other myth dogmas.

Similarity is an anthem to warring religious myths. The thrust of the Protestant Reformation began an articulation of differences, not similarities.

You are surely correct that: “The LDS don't want the FLDS to be one of them anymore than Evangelicals want LDS associated with them.” It is no less the case that various other Protestant groups wish to disassociate themselves from groups with which there may be much similarity. As you likely well know, various (many) Baptist groups (for example) which identify themselves by different names actually have much in common. Yet, they compete (marketing) for allegiance to their particular group/organization.

While most people don’t recognize religion as a competitive area, the fact is that it is competitive.

JAK


Duh. Pepsi doesn't like to think it's anything like Coke, but the fact is, they're both colas. But everyone knows Pepsi is God-given, while Coke is a cheap knockoff.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
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harmony wrote:
JAK wrote:Interesting comments Gadianton:

Illustrated here is the continuing evolution of Protestant reform. Each group wants to insist that its interpretation is correct over all the other interpretations. It’s not only marketing, it’s an attempt to assert it’s dogma as superior or absolutely correct as opposed to all other myth dogmas.

Similarity is an anthem to warring religious myths. The thrust of the Protestant Reformation began an articulation of differences, not similarities.

You are surely correct that: “The LDS don't want the FLDS to be one of them anymore than Evangelicals want LDS associated with them.” It is no less the case that various other Protestant groups wish to disassociate themselves from groups with which there may be much similarity. As you likely well know, various (many) Baptist groups (for example) which identify themselves by different names actually have much in common. Yet, they compete (marketing) for allegiance to their particular group/organization.

While most people don’t recognize religion as a competitive area, the fact is that it is competitive.

JAK


Duh. Pepsi doesn't like to think it's anything like Coke, but the fact is, they're both colas. But everyone knows Pepsi is God-given, while Coke is a cheap knockoff.


:smile:

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Re: Mormonism and the Trinity

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Roger
Then obviously you do endorse the Temple portrail of Creation as true, and worthy of belief in all aspects and in all of its detail??? (Including Eve from Adam's rib?)???

If I'm not wrong DCP went to Swiss Mission (German), there he perfected his art, studying Kasperle Theater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7HncNJ3 ... re=related
A traditional Swiss Puppet show, with great gigs.
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Re: Mormonism and the Trinity

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solomarineris wrote:
Roger
Then obviously you do endorse the Temple portrail of Creation as true, and worthy of belief in all aspects and in all of its detail??? (Including Eve from Adam's rib?)???

If I'm not wrong DCP went to Swiss Mission (German), there he perfected his art, studying Kasperle Theater
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7HncNJ3 ... re=related
A traditional Swiss Puppet show, with great gigs.


Solo, thanks but, I don't get the connection??????????????????????? :sad: Roger
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Solo, thanks but, I don't get the connection??????????????????????? :

It's a puppet show, deny much of history as it transpired. DCP is one of the characters.
His strings are pulled, not according to his conscience, but the doctrine his masters
want him to parrot.
I mean who else would call MMM; "So Called MMM"? did it happen? does Temple Ceremony exists?
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I have, for the record, never denied that the Mountain Meadows Massacre occurred.

Nor, for that matter (to fend off a conceivable Scratchite attack in advance), have I ever endorsed it.
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