My Wife's Take on the New Mormon Media Blitz

[_cafe crema]

I immediately recognized the hypocrisy of trying to paint fringe Mormons as mainstream, but I didn't "get" how harmful this message could be to those who had lived their lives as best they could to be "faithful" Mormon women.

Not until my wife spoke up.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

So, the black woman who according to you is living on the fringe of Mormonism is harming your wife? Is this black woman a part of mainstream Mormonism? I know single Mormon women who are working. What is exactly is fringe living about this?

Where has is been shown that it's this happy single black woman you keep going on about?

[_cafe crema]

We still have the Proc.

By divine design, fathers are to preside over their families in love and righteousness and are responsible to provide the necessities of life and protection for their families. Mothers are primarily responsible for the nurture of their children. In these sacred responsibilities, fathers and mothers are obligated to help one another as equal partners. Disability, death, or other circumstances may necessitate individual adaptation.

It seems to be saying that fathers are the financial provider and mothers are the childcare provider. UNLESS some sort of drastic circumstance make is necessary to do things a little differently.

But, hey, if a woman thinks that means that God wants her to be a SAHM she needs a reality check.

Oh, look: the baby-making machine has had an opinion come out of her pretty little head.

Shut up and get back in the kitchen, Just Me.

Now apologize for her unseemly behavior Darth.

[_why me]

Jeez...lets have a reality check.

Here's your reality check.

Maybe it will help you if we take women out of the equation.

Twenty years after the saints follow Brigham Young to Salt Lake, the Church takes out ads in all the eastern newspapers showcasing the Mormons who stayed in Illinois.

How would you expect the Salt Lake City Mormons might feel?


All the Best!

--Consiglieri

You know that people are finding themselves in all kinds of situations these days. Capitalism has failed to bring its promised prosperity. So, women need to work to support their families. There has never been one solution for everyone.

Now, the LDS church has many converts who are women. They have been working supporting their families. These women can not be expected to suddenly quit their job just because they joined the LDS church, nor should they. The church gives recommendations for raising a healthy family but when it comes to matters of work, it is always the decision of the couple, woman or man. It has always been that way.

No woman was ever denied a temple recommend for working outside the home. So, today, the members of the church are in various work positions and doing various hobbies and yes, the videos in question do show stay at home moms too. It is a complicated world, much more complicated today than 20 years ago or 40 years ago.

[_why me]

She doesn't feel she made the right decision to stay at home and take care of the kids because she had already proven herself completely capabable of working outside the home and still taking care of the kids.

Just not in the way the Church would have had her do once she became married to me.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

The grass is always greener with the choices we did not make sometimes. It is quite normal to feel this way when we hit a certain age. We all go through midlife crisises as time goes on and during that time, are lives can be full of what ifs.

And it seems that this is the case with your wife. However, sometimes the what ifs also need a reality check. Would your marriage have survived if your wife was working outside the home? Would the children still be well adjusted? Would the relationship still be on a healthy footing? Would stress, anxiety, and pressure recked havoc in your home as children are juggled between two parents?

These questions can not be answered but they can be thought about. What we have from our decisions is what we have now...that is reality and not fantasy. How is your reality is a good question to answer. And if your reality and if your wifes reality is good ad if the children are healthy and doing life well...well, in the end, current reality is better than a what if reality.

[_Buffalo]

The grass is always greener with the choices we did not make sometimes. It is quite normal to feel this way when we hit a certain age. We all go through midlife crisises as time goes on and during that time, are lives can be full of what ifs.

And it seems that this is the case with your wife. However, sometimes the what ifs also need a reality check. Would your marriage have survived if your wife was working outside the home? Would the children still be well adjusted? Would the relationship still be on a healthy footing? Would stress, anxiety, and pressure recked havoc in your home as children are juggled between two parents?

These questions can not be answered but they can be thought about. What we have from our decisions is what we have now...that is reality and not fantasy. How is your reality is a good question to answer. And if your reality and if your wifes reality is good ad if the children are healthy and doing life well...well, in the end, current reality is better than a what if reality.

You don't know anything about his wife. And yet you see fit to judge her.

[Guest]

She doesn't feel she made the right decision to stay at home and take care of the kids because she had already proven herself completely capabable of working outside the home and still taking care of the kids.

Just not in the way the Church would have had her do once she became married to me.

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

The grass is always greener with the choices we did not make sometimes. It is quite normal to feel this way when we hit a certain age. We all go through midlife crisises as time goes on and during that time, are lives can be full of what ifs.

And it seems that this is the case with your wife. However, sometimes the what ifs also need a reality check. Would your marriage have survived if your wife was working outside the home? Would the children still be well adjusted? Would the relationship still be on a healthy footing? Would stress, anxiety, and pressure recked havoc in your home as children are juggled between two parents?

These questions can not be answered but they can be thought about. What we have from our decisions is what we have now...that is reality and not fantasy. How is your reality is a good question to answer. And if your reality and if your wifes reality is good ad if the children are healthy and doing life well...well, in the end, current reality is better than a what if reality.

You really need to STFU. First you say it is fine to work, nobody cares if you work, blah damned blah. Then you go on to say the exact crap that Kimball/Benson said regarding married women working outside the home.

You are spewing sexist doodoo all over this thread and you just refuse to open your eyes to the thoughts and feelings and experiences of others. You will condemn every one and every thing BUT the LDS church and its leaders. You are a hypocrite.

Consig's wife WAS on the other side playing happily in the green, green grass. The teachings of the church caused her to go over to the other side and endure the brown grass for years. Now she sees the church hold up as an example women who stayed over in the lush, green grass and she is HURT by it. Her reality ISN'T GOOD! That is the whole point! It is good, it isn't okay!!! I don't expect you to understand. You lack compassion.

You really take the cake.

[_Cardinal Biggles]

No woman was ever denied a temple recommend for working outside the home. So, today, the members of the church are in various work positions and doing various hobbies and yes, the videos in question do show stay at home moms too. It is a complicated world, much more complicated today than 20 years ago or 40 years ago.

Translation: Ezra Taft Benson's prophetic counsel is outdated and irrelevant 20 years later.

What you're saying about non-excommunicable ignorances of prophetic counsel can also be said about excommunicable violations of prophetic command: "People have always had the ability to choose."

You could just as easily dismiss the command to pay tithing. "It's a complicated world. Capitalism has failed. It's hard for people to pay tithing now. People have always had the ability to choose whether to pay tithing. They won't be excommunicated for failure to pay. They can choose whether to get that temple recommend."

So harping on the fact that a woman working outside the home won't be excommunicated, or won't be denied a temple recommend, really isn't saying anything at all. Except that you seem to be saying that the only important things that a prophet says are the things that can get your recommend withheld if you don't do them.

By now, everybody in the church knows what the requirements to obtain a temple recommend are. If everything else a prophet says is meaningless and ignorable, then there doesn't really seem to be a point in having a prophet, does there? Why listen to General Conference every 6 months if you have the temple recommend requirements memorized?

But then, it's clear from your comments that you don't really believe in a prophet, after all. You only need a CEO, and that's essentially what you have.

[_MsJack]

My husband has an earring, which I am given to understand goes against prophetic counsel.

He also married outside the temple in violation of a direct commandment.

He has never seen church discipline for doing either of those things.

I think the church should feature him in an "I'm a Mormon" commercial. He can show off the pictures of a Protestant minister performing his wedding, gush about how great it was to hold a wedding that all of our friends and families could be a part of, and talk about how he decided to surprise me for my birthday one year by coming home with an earring.

It would be so touching, and totally "Mormon." And I'm sure it would not give any outsiders the mistaken impression that Mormons are completely okay with and tolerant of those things.

[_stemelbow]

My husband has an earring, which I am given to understand goes against prophetic counsel.

He also married outside the temple in violation of a direct commandment.

He has never seen church discipline for doing either of those things.

I think the church should feature him in an "I'm a Mormon" commercial. He can show off the pictures of a Protestant minister performing his wedding, gush about how great it was to hold a wedding that all of our friends and families could be a part of, and talk about how he decided to surprise me for my birthday one year by coming home with an earring.

It would be so touching, and totally "Mormon." And I'm sure it would not give any outsiders the mistaken impression that Mormons are completely okay with and tolerant of those things.

The point, I believe, is more along the lines of "you can be all those things and still be a Mormon". It ain't no thing. You can be some dude who has an earring and married some tatted up (oh settle down I do believe you said you had a tatoo though) non-LDS Christian, and be an active thriving Mormon. You can even be Brandon Flowers and be a Mormon.

[_why me]

My husband has an earring, which I am given to understand goes against prophetic counsel.

He also married outside the temple in violation of a direct commandment.

I am not sure if having an ear piercing goes against counsel. But more than one piercing in the same ear may.

There is no commandment about marrying in the temple. It is recommended. Many Mormons marry outside the faith. No problem. Unfortunately when that does happen the spouse usually begins to poke away at the faith until the other spouse becomes inactive. Sound familiar?