Blacks weren't allowed to pray in church

[_Darth J]

I've lived ALL over the Church..... and almost NEVER have I seen a Mormon that's actually racist, including and even especially the old-timers. It's actually one of the reasons that I was first attracted to the Church "pre-ban", is because in contrast to ALL other Churches I had attended including a Black Church, save the Catholic Church, all other Churches were racist to some degree or had a few amount of racist members.

While obviously there have been and there are likely still the rare racist member, the Church was ALWAYS the exception to the rule, even with the Priesthood ban. The Church ALWAYS taught against racism and tolerance for other races, religions and groups, thus the claim that the Church was somehow racist simply because of the rare instance example of some idiot member is ridiculous.

Assuming the LDS Church is the successor church to the one Joseph Smith started, the Church has existed for 181 years. For 148 of those years, it taught substantive doctrine that black people are inferior to not just white people, but to everyone.

That is a "rare instance," is it?

[_ldsfaqs]

That is simply FALSE.....

The Priesthood is not required to pray in Church, and never was.
Blacks prayed all the time. Not only that, but they were leaders in the Church in positions that didn't require the Priesthood.

Why weren't women allowed to pray in Sacrament meeting until relatively recently?

Check the dates again.... It's only a specific date period that Women did not pray in Sacrament. What was it, something like 1940's to 1960's? As to your question, no idea. I'm sure they had some reason for it. They STILL SPOKE in Sacrament, so it's clearly not for any immoral reason you think it should be.

[_Darth J]

Check the dates again.... It's only a specific date period that Women did not pray in Sacrament. What was it, something like 1940's to 1960's? As to your question, no idea. I'm sure they had some reason for it. They STILL SPOKE in Sacrament, so it's clearly not for any immoral reason you think it should be.

But why was this gender racism put into place at all?

[_just me]

Of course, women were banned from speaking in General Conference for a really long time, too. From the death of Joseph Smith to the...what?....1980s?

[_ldsfaqs]

Hey ALL....

For those of you posting the "First Presidency" statements supposedly debunking my statement, couple of problems.

1. Not a single statement from the Church actually states that blacks were "not valiant". That was the claim, and that is the truth. I'm well aware that some in the Church had that view, but some of them even clearly made known in your quotes that it was THEIR OPINION. All the Official Statement says is that the pre-mortal life has "something" to do with the ban. They didn't say what, why or how.

2. haa haa.... I once left the Church primarily for this issue, and Polygamy, do you people REALLY think you are telling and showing me anything I haven't seen before? Please.... spare me your arrogance and judgmentalism that I'm already well familiar with.

I've seen and learned things NONE of you have seen and learned. I know the actual whole truth, you do not. You pre-judge the Church. Big mistake.

[_Darth J]

Hey ALL....

For those of you posting the "First Presidency" statements supposedly debunking my statement, couple of problems.

1. Not a single statement from the Church actually states that blacks were "not valiant". That was the claim, and that is the truth. I'm well aware that some in the Church had that view, but some of them even clearly made known in your quotes that it was THEIR OPINION. All the Official Statement says is that the pre-mortal life has "something" to do with the ban. They didn't say what, why or how.

2. haa haa.... I once left the Church primarily for this issue, and Polygamy, do you people REALLY think you are telling and showing me anything I haven't seen before? Please.... spare me your arrogance and judgmentalism that I'm already well familiar with.

I've seen and learned things NONE of you have seen and learned. I know the actual whole truth, you do not. You pre-judge the Church. Big mistake.

Where can anyone read these sources of the whole actual truth other than what the Church itself consistently taught for a century and a half, Ldsfags?

Also, it is immaterial whether the First Presidency specified that Negroes were less valiant. The fact that they said, more than once, that it was a curse to be born a Negro because of things they did in the pre-mortal life is enough to establish the racist nature of Mormon doctrine----doctrines that have never been repudiated.

[_ldsfaqs]

Anyway, I don't expect all you ignorant anti-Mormons to understand. You prefer your drive-by truth judgments rather than really understanding God's truths, history, etc. I know because I was you briefly. Willingly stupid to believe the lie that the Church must have been racist. Judging it according to modern social convention and the prejudices of youth, rather than actual truth and fact.

Current advice given by the Church to its youth on the subject of 'Choosing an Eternal Companion'

"We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally"

Hmmm....

Yes and.....? As someone who married someone not of my race and culture, married 12 years with 3 little boys, and a wife who committed a great many sins and still does, who ran off to her country with my boys, destroying everything we had worked for, and she ultimately divorced me for no good reason or cause, etc. etc.

I can testify that it most certainly IS wise advice to generally marry within your own race and culture. The problems of marrying outside of anything are well attested to.

Do you find a problem with the Church actually trying to keep marriages and family's together?
Spare me SCUMBAG!!! Simpleton intellectual CHILD.... :(

[_Morley]

.... I've seen and learned things NONE of you have seen and learned. I know the actual whole truth, you do not. ....

Please give ten or twelve examples.

[_RayAgostini]

Trying to reason with some people here is a total waste of time. Continue with your mission of faith-destruction, Darth. Let that be your legacy to humanity. You most likely will not believe me when I say I've been down the very path you are now treading, and in my view you're a total amateur. Continue to spread your "disease germs" of unbelief, but don't be very surprised when karma bites you in the ass, and you beg for mercy. Then, you will look around for someone, anyone, to save you, and my only hope is that in that day God will have mercy on your blind and benighted soul.

And of course you're going to mock this, too, like you mock anything and everything from "the believers". "Stardom" here has totally corrupted you, because you think you can spin some logic together that overrides far more important things in life.

I really don't know why you want to convince so many people out of Mormonism, except to justify yourself. It's a very selfish endeavour.

Last of all, thanks to Dr. Shades for having his dream come true, by creating a board that encourages unbelief, not only in Mormonism, but in God himself. I am convinced that this was his goal from the beginning. Now he can go to sleep, to the sound of one hand clapping.

[_Melchett]

Of course, women were banned from speaking in General Conference for a really long time, too. From the death of Joseph Smith to the...what?....1980s?

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The other "Restored Church" restored the priesthood in 1984. Just which God is attending these meetings?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RLDS_Church#Priesthood