Ironically Named Mormon Dialogue Board Declares War on MDB

[_Kishkumen]

Who's "we"? Has Nemesis forgotten the Mr. Itchy blog? The notion that posters here are planning out well-coordinated attacks on apologists is quite silly, but even if it were true, Nemesis's comment would be gross hypocrisy in light of Skinny-L, SHIELDS, the well-organized structure of FAIR and FARMS, etc. And most of these organizations have been around a lot, lot longer than MDB. In other words: Nemesis has no evidence for "staged" attacks, but there is a ton of evidence that the Mopologists have been doing it for decades.

Well, after all, their most active moderator essentially declared war on the board. I don't recall Dr. Shades, liz, or harmony ever issuing the war cry to go after MDD. Nemesis is a nut job.

[_asbestosman]

Well, I don't see what all of this hand-wringing about your supposed "hypocrisy" is good for, no offense.

It's a chance for me to see where I am failing. Trying to shift the blame is a lost opportunity for self-improvement.

The idea that you are a hypocrite if you don't condemn every last piece of bad behavior on both sides with equal vehemence is stupid.

I agree that I am under no obligation to condemn everything equally because I cannot be expected to see everything. However, when I do see it but only condemn things on one side, then I am a hypocrite. There's really no defense in my mind for that.

You know that what really is at issue here is not your purported "hypocrisy," but their sense of your loyalty to them or lack thereof. This is the tribe beating you back into line, pure and simple.

Even if you're right, it's still hypocrisy. I have exposed myself as favoring this tribe while purporting to be a faithful Mormon. If that isn't hypocrisy, I don't know what is.

Look, I'm trying to see things through Nemisis's eyes. I concede that I do not completely agree with blaming the board as a whole, but I do agree that at least some here (at least me) are not guiltless. When I try looking through his eyes, I see that I have a double-standard. Furthermore, I'm not sure that Nemesis really does blame everyone who ever posts here. Does he blame Daniel Peterson? Probably not. Nehor? I doubt it. These guys are vocal in their criticism of this place--more than I am and consequently they become targets of critics. Nemesis has in mind people like me who do not condemn bad behavior on the critic side while doing it on the other side.

In fact, my issue may not be hypocrisy, but rather cowardice. I don't like being the target of critics. Slowly I've stopped caring about their bad behavior. It's only when I'm implicated by bad behavior that I speak up. It's not Nehor that is nebbish, but me. I am not guiltless no matter how I slice it. When I can look Nemesis in the and say I'm innocent, I'll feel better.

Also, I don't know exactly what went down with Moniker, but if Nemesis is right, it makes me very uncomfortable. I know I can't blame everyone here for that, but it does make me squeamish to think I may be associating with such people. Maybe I shouldn't let it bother me. I mean, I don't think tarnishes Daniel Peterson, but still there is something unsettling about it.

[_Infymus]

I say Nemisis, good luck. Go from just a "clipping service" to full out documentation on each and ever poster. Then wave it in a judge's face crying, "Look at what someone on the Internet said about me!"

Frivolous and pathetic.

As Doctor Scratch pointed out, look at the Skinny-L list, the bait and post tactics of SHIELDS. Mopologists have been doing this far far longer.

[_EAllusion]

Asbestos -

In all likelihood, whomever is controlling Nemesis at the moment sees this board as a collective of apostates and critics and people like DCP and Nehor as visitors to that collective - like an anthropologist visiting a native tribe.

DCP, being an Islamic scholar, is probably quite familiar with not only how wrong, but how nasty it can get when people who can be characterized as members of a group by categorical association start getting blamed personally for not doing enough to stop the worst behavior of people in that group. I doubt he'll say anything about it, but it's quite wrong what Nemesis is doing.

[_Nightlion]

I have a created a culture that people can say what they want responsibly, how is that not more freedom than saying something potentially harmful the leads real people in hot water?

Oh, each time over the years from FAIR on down when I registered, or registered anew or sock puppeted and simply taught the gospel of repentance and denounced the arrogance of hypocrisy, scripturously responsibly I was set upon by the provocateurs before banning, so they could get some speck of justification, and later I was summarily banned the instant that they realized it was me again.

It is rounding the corner on near twenty years of online teaching on LDS boards. There has never been a single fellow who has attempted to take me on toe to toe. Not one. And because they delight an arrogance to excel all nations just imagine how galling that for twenty years the stink of their pissed pants has never been cleansed. And this is why they will not hear King Benjamin who called down upon the people as less than the dust of the earth that they might enter Zion aright.
Neither do they hear Christ. Nor will they ever. Zion's gates are shut before them continually.

I am not saying it for this board. I figure it's very likely those guys will read this thread. Thanks.

[_asbestosman]

In all likelihood, whomever is controlling Nemesis at the moment sees this board as a collective of apostates and critics and people like DCP and Nehor as visitors to that collective - like an anthropologist visiting a native tribe.

Nemesis doesn't seem to be blaming you either. Does he view you as a visitor? That doesn't seem very likely to me. I'm pretty sure Nemesis views you solidly in the critic camp. The difference is that you proved that you are reasonable--something that was recognized and appreciated.

[_Bond James Bond]

Ceeboo is currently listed as "banned".

The comments towards CK are totally inappropriate. CK has already accomplished more in terms of education as well as gaining respect for intellect (from me anyway) than Nemesis ever will, if Nemesis's writing is an indication of his education.

[_Runtu]

I keep thinking about "Treasure of the Sierra Madre," in which three prospectors find a huge amount of gold. Eventually, however, in-fighting, jealousy, and paranoia lead to death and loss. In the end, outsiders, not recognizing the worth of the gold, scatter it to the wind.

It seems to me that too much of what goes on in these boards is about personalities, loyalty to tribe, and the need for insult and revenge. What a waste it is. There is so much that is fascinating and uplifting about Mormonism and its teachings and history, but when we descend to name-calling (and worse) we are just scattering our gold to the wind.

[_CaliforniaKid]

Ceeboo is currently listed as "banned".

Yes, it does say "banned" now. How strange; I wonder why it still said "members" when I checked earlier today.

The comments towards CK are totally inappropriate. CK has already accomplished more in terms of education as well as gaining respect for intellect (from me anyway) than Nemesis ever will, if Nemesis's writing is an indication of his education.

Thanks. :)

[_sock puppet]

This seems more motivated in response to MsJack's thread about Will's misogyny than really the memegenerator and Juliann. The reason I say this is that Nemesis incorrectly identifies the smear of Juliann as mysogyny, and suggests that MDD will create a forum for clippings of MDB afronts.

The battle cry at MDD is that it is over the Juliann memegenerator, but the counter measures being taken mirror how Will's ugly, misogynist postings were pulled together. For these reasons, I think it is retaliation for Will.