Bible verse by verse

[_The Erotic Apologist]

I believe that the website above makes an honest attempt to look at a subject from various perspectives.

Wrong--it's doesn't look at the subject from "various" perspectives; it only looks at it from a Xian perspective.

What it ultimately presents is that there is recorded history from various cultures of a long day.

Wrong--it attempts to force-fit contradictory accounts of dissimilar phenomena from dissimilar contexts into an erroneous Xian template. Moreover, Fernand Crombette was a fraud, which you would have known had you bothered to check the footnotes...you did check the footnotes, didn't you?

This reminds me of the time when you erroneously argued that Chinese ideograms contained evidence that supported the Biblical account of the Great Flood--but you forgot to check the footnotes and ended up with egg on your face as a result.

And one must either accept this, or reject that this event actually happened based on speculation.

It might also be an example of pious fraud. Mormons have a term for this: Lying for the Lord.

Nipper, is Lying for the Lord a sin?

But whatever one chooses to believe, there is the reality, that if it happened, it had to be a miracle.

Slow down, Sparky, you're getting waaaaaaaay ahead of yourself--you've neglected to examine any evidence to the contrary.

You may wish to reread the entire article from that perspective.

Conversely, you may also wish to read the article from an opposing perspective, which you will need to do in order to evaluate any opposing evidence.

Then you cannot worship a Creator who judges sin.

I take it you're referring to Yahweh, the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews. Would you please show me where you A) prove conclusively that a god exists, and B) that it's the ancient war god of the tribal Hebrews? Thank you.

You likely find that sending the likes of "Hitler" to hell repulsive, or do YOU simply pick and choose candidates to feel sorry for?

Sorry, you lost me here. I don't see what this has to do with Hitler.

God knows your intentions, and I imagine that that thought haunts and scares you.

Right--whenever Xians feel cornered they threaten their critics with hellfire and damnation.

But the reality is that either one will spend an eternity with God or an eternity without God.

Again with hellfire and damnation.

How long someone lives on this planet has very little to offer when one measures such against ------------- eternity. And if someone chooses to live without God throughout this life, that one is simply digging for himself a deeper and deeper pit for himself in hell...

And still more hellfire and damnation. Whatever.

Have a nice day, Nipper.



ETA--

I predict that upon reading this, Nipper will do that other thing Xians do when they feel cornered: He'll cut-and-paste a 3,000 word wall-of-text in hopes that it will simply bury the opposition.

[_huckelberry]

apologist,
You noted that,
Fernand Crombette was a fraud.
I admit i did not search footnotes. I did decide to read other offerings on the geocentricity site because the article linked reference special advance astronomy not offered in the article. I was wondering if there was to be a clever argument. At least for me I was disappointed. I am not familiar with Mr Crombette so did a search. What I found was in French and my French is seriously limited. I see he did personal theorizing to support creationism. He managed to explore a version of Pangaean showing even the most eccentic may not leave reality in total.

I did not investigate extensively but the long day parallels sounded gossamer thin when compared to Nible's excursions into historic religious parallels.

[Guest]

apologist,
You noted that,
Fernand Crombette was a fraud.

You're right--it would have been more accurate to call Crombette's translation a fraud, since it resembles Joseph Smith's equally fraudulent attempts to translate ancient Egyptian script.

The principal difference between Smith and Crombette seems to be the fact that the source of Smith's purported translation actually exists. Crombette, on the other hand, seems to have entirely fabricated the inscription from which he claimed to have translated a parallel account of the long day.

[_Bazooka]

I have a relationship and not a belief.

In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?

Anything Nipper, anything at all?

[_subgenius]

Anything Nipper, anything at all?

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=777581#p777581

[_LittleNipper]

In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?

Anything Nipper, anything at all?

An imaginary friend never did anything for anyone. An imaginary friend cannot answer prayer or provide anyone with input. An individual with an imaginary friend builds on a one-sided relationship that is totally accepting and without conflict. This can hardly be said of God. He is perfect and we are sinners. An imaginary friend cannot forgive nor motivate someone to do his will.

[_LittleNipper]

Joshua 11:1-23 When King Jabin of Hazor heard what had happened, he sent urgent messages to the following kings:


King Jobab of Madon;

The king of Shimron;

The king of Achshaph;

All the kings of the northern hill country;

The kings in the Arabah, south of Chinneroth;

Those in the lowland;

The kings in the mountain areas of Dor, on the west;

The kings of Canaan, both east and west;

The kings of the Amorites;

The kings of the Hittites;

The kings of the Perizzites;

The kings in the Jebusite hill country;

The Hivite kings in the cities on the slopes of Mount Hermon, in the land of Mizpah.

All these kings responded by mobilizing their armies and uniting to crush Israel. Their combined forces and military apparatus covered the landscape around the springs of Merom as far as the eye could see --- having established their camp there.

The Lord told Joshua not to be afraid, for by this time the following day they would all be dead! They are to Hamstring the enemies horses and burn their chariots. Joshua and his troops arrived suddenly at the springs of Merom and attacked. And the Lord gave that vast army to the Israelites, who chased them as far as Great Sidon and a place called the Salt Pits, and eastward into the valley of Mizpah. Not one enemy troop survived the battle. Then Joshua and his men did as the Lord had instructed, for they hamstrung the horses and burned all the chariots. On the way back, Joshua captured Hazor and killed its king. (Hazor had at one time been the capital of the federation of all those kingdoms.) Every person there was killed and the city was burned. Then he attacked and destroyed all the other cities of those kings. All the people were slaughtered, just as Moses had commanded long before. (However, Joshua did not burn any of the cities built on mounds except for Hazor.) All the loot and cattle of the ravaged cities were taken by the Israelis for themselves, but they killed all the people. This the Lord commanded of Moses; and Moses had passed the commandment on to Joshua, who did as he had been told: he carefully obeyed all of the Lord’s instructions to Moses. Joshua conquered the entire land—the hill country, the Negeb, the land of Goshen, the lowlands, the Arabah, and the hills and lowlands of Israel. The Israelites' territory now extended all the way from Mount Halak, near Seir, to Baal-gad in the valley of Lebanon, at the foot of Mount Hermon. Joshua killed all the kings of those territories. It took seven years of war to accomplish all of this. None of the cities was given a peace treaty except the Hivites of Gibeon; all of the others were destroyed.

The Lord made the enemy kings want to fight the Israelites instead of asking for peace; so they were mercilessly killed, as the Lord had commanded Moses. During this period Joshua routed all of the giants—the descendants of Anak who lived in the hill country in Hebron, Debir, Anab, Judah, and Israel; he killed them all and completely destroyed their cities. None was left in all the land of Israel, though some still remained in Gaza, Gath, and Ashdod. Joshua took the entire land just as the Lord had instructed Moses; and he gave it to the people of Israel as their inheritance, dividing the land among the tribes. The land was at peace.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And it cometh to pass when Jabin king of Hazor heareth, that he sendeth unto Jobab king of Madon, and unto the king of Shimron, and unto the king of Achshaph,

2 and unto the kings who [are] on the north in the hill-country, and in the plain south of Chinneroth, and in the low country, and in the elevations of Dor, on the west,

3 [to] the Canaanite on the east, and on the west, and the Amorite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Jebusite in the hill-country, and the Hivite under Hermon, in the land of Mizpeh --

4 and they go out, they and all their camps with them, a people numerous, as the sand which [is] on the sea-shore for multitude, and horse and charioteer very many;

5 and all these kings are met together, and they come and encamp together at the waters of Merom, to fight with Israel.

6 And Jehovah saith unto Joshua, `Be not afraid of their presence, for to-morrow about this time I am giving all of them wounded before Israel; their horses thou dost hough, and their chariots burn with fire.'

7 And Joshua cometh, and all the people of war with him, against them by the waters of Merom suddenly, and they fall on them;

8 and Jehovah giveth them into the hand of Israel, and they smite them and pursue them unto the great Zidon, and unto Misrephoth-Maim, and unto the valley of Mizpeh eastward, and they smite them, till he hath not left to them a remnant;

9 and Joshua doth to them as Jehovah said to him; their horses he hath houghed, and their chariots burnt with fire.

10 And Joshua turneth back at that time, and captureth Hazor, and its king he hath smitten by the sword; for Hazor formerly [is] head of all these kingdoms;

11 and they smite every person who [is] in it by the mouth of the sword; he hath devoted -- he hath not left any one breathing, and Hazor he hath burnt with fire;

12 and all the cities of these kings, and all their kings, hath Joshua captured, and he smiteth them by the mouth of the sword; he devoted them, as Moses, servant of Jehovah, commanded.

13 Only, all the cities which are standing by their hill, Israel hath not burned them, save Hazor only, [it] hath Joshua burnt;

14 and all the spoil of these cities, and the cattle, have the sons of Israel spoiled for themselves; only, every human being they have smitten by the mouth of the sword, till their destroying them; they have not left any one breathing.

15 As Jehovah commanded Moses His servant, so did Moses command Joshua, and so hath Joshua done; he hath not turned aside a thing of all that Jehovah commanded Moses.

16 And Joshua taketh all this land: the hill-country, and all the south, and all the land of Goshen, and the low country, and the plain, even the hill-country of Israel and its low lands,

17 from the mount of Halak, which is going up [to] Seir, and unto Baal-Gad, in the valley of Lebanon, under mount Hermon; and all their kings he hath captured, and he smiteth them, and putteth them to death.

18 Many days hath Joshua made with all these kings war;

19 there hath not been a city which made peace with the sons of Israel save the Hivite, inhabitants of Gibeon; the whole they have taken in battle;

20 for from Jehovah it hath been to strengthen their heart, to meet in battle with Israel, in order to devote them, so that they have no grace, but in order to destroy them, as Jehovah commanded Moses.

21 And Joshua cometh at that time, and cutteth off the Anakim from the hill-country, from Hebron, from Debir, from Anab, even from all the hill-country of Judah, and from all the hill-country of Israel; with their cities hath Joshua devoted them.

22 There hath not been left Anakim in the land of the sons of Israel; only in Gaza, in Gath, and in Ashdod, were they left.

23 And Joshua taketh the whole of the land, according to all that Jehovah hath spoken unto Moses, and Joshua giveth it for an inheritance to Israel according to their divisions, by their tribes; and the land hath rest from war.



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[Guest]

In what explicit and specific ways is your relationship with God different to that of someone who has an imaginary friend?

An imaginary friend never did anything for anyone. An imaginary friend cannot answer prayer or provide anyone with input. An individual with an imaginary friend builds on a one-sided relationship that is totally accepting and without conflict. This can hardly be said of God. He is perfect and we are sinners. An imaginary friend cannot forgive nor motivate someone to do his will.

Sorry Nipper, but my imaginary friend can deliver everything that you've listed your God can deliver.
My imaginary friend forgives me all the time and encourages me to try harder to be a better person.
He answers my prayers and gives me direction. He is a good listener.
What can your God do that you can demonstrate, that my imaginary friend can't do?

[_The Erotic Apologist]

Nipper, is lying for the Lord a sin?

[_LittleNipper]

Sorry Nipper, but my imaginary friend can deliver everything that you've listed your God can deliver.
My imaginary friend forgives me all the time and encourages me to try harder to be a better person.
He answers my prayers and gives me direction. He is a good listener.
What can your God do that you can demonstrate, that my imaginary friend can't do?

Let me see you tell that to a psychiatrist and tell me where that gets you. Only a real being can accomplish real things. Imaginary beings are a figment of one's imagination and are incapable of anything. If your "imaginary" friend performs tasks for you then he is not imaginary. My dad would say that you are full of soup (which was a polite 1950's way of implying that you are so full of something but it isn't the truth). If you are trying to get some clarification, then by all means by forthright and ask for some; however, to say that you have an "imaginary friend," only demonstrates how low you are willing to stoop to confuse an issue and belittle the beliefs of others. You pray to your "imaginary" friend for wisdom and I'll read God's instruction book and pray for wisdom. Let's see who gets what.