The Origin of FAIR/MAD

[_Daniel Peterson]

And you didn't?

No. What contradiction are you imagining?

And yet you're much more 'talkative' when you visit here.

You and Scratch have "Kick me!" signs on your rear ends. I can't resist giving you the verbal kick you crave.

But, if you're trying to suggest that I've said much more about Quinn's homosexuality here than I've ever said before, I'm afraid you're imagining things again.

Sure.

You're wise to doubt anything I say. As Scratch maintains, at least when he's not huffily denying that he said it, I'm a "mean-spirited liar." (But remember. I'm your only source. Doubting me could bring your whole rickety edifice of speculation down.)

If you don't 'get' the damage inherent in gossip (particularly about one's private sex life), then I give up.

If you think that effectively saying "Mike Quinn is gay" when everybody knew that Mike Quinn was gay was harmful gossip, then you should give up.

[_Rollo Tomasi]

If you don't 'get' the damage inherent in gossip (particularly about one's private sex life), then I give up.

If you think that effectively saying "Mike Quinn is gay" when everybody knew that Mike Quinn was gay was harmful gossip, then you should give up.

Well, at least you finally seem to recognize that you (and others) engaged in gossip about Quinn. But you're still in denial about whether it was wrong or caused any harm. Are you so devoid of conscience? I'm very surprised that a smart guy like you just doesn't 'get it.'

[_Tarski]

If you don't 'get' the damage inherent in gossip (particularly about one's private sex life), then I give up.

If you think that effectively saying "Mike Quinn is gay" when everybody knew that Mike Quinn was gay was harmful gossip, then you should give up.

Well, at least you finally seem to recognize that you (and others) engaged in gossip about Quinn. But you're still in denial about whether it was wrong or caused any harm. Are you so devoid of conscience? I'm very surprised that a smart guy like you just doesn't 'get it.'

I haven't been watching this too closely but can I ask for some clarification?
Let me use a personal example. I have coffee with a friend almost everyday. The other day he mentioned that a well known professor was gay. I said "hmm. really?". Then he said, "yes, it is well known and he is more or less openly gay".
I then yawned, we changed topics, and that was it.

Now am I to understand that Rollo thinks that my friend committed an immoral act of viscious gossip? I am loath to think so.
If you do think so then the next question is "how long should I badger him about it?"

[_Daniel Peterson]

Well, at least you finally seem to recognize that you (and others) engaged in gossip about Quinn.

Do you typically invent self-incriminating confessions out of whole cloth and attribute them to others -- all from the moral high ground, of course -- or do you reserve that honor just for me?

But you're still in denial about whether it was wrong or caused any harm.

No. I'm not "in denial," though I recognize for what it is your attempt to use a trendy buzzword from Psychiatry 101 in order to paint me as suffering from a mental health problem. I deny your claim. That's a different matter. And suggesting that I'm marginally insane isn't a very compelling reply. ("Are you so devoid of conscience?")

Are you so devoid of conscience?

No, though I recognize for what it is your attempt to portray me as unethical. ("Are you so devoid of conscience?") I deny your claim.

I'm very surprised that a smart guy like you just doesn't 'get it.'

That should give you pause.

[_beastie]

I haven't been watching this too closely but can I ask for some clarification?
Let me use a personal example. I have coffee with a friend almost everyday. The other day he mentioned that a well known professor was gay. I said "hmm. really?". Then he said, "yes, it is well known and he is more or less openly gay".
I then yawned, we changed topics, and that was it.

Now am I to understand that Rollo thinks that my friend committed an immoral act of viscious gossip? I am loath to think so.
If you do think so then the next question is "how long should I badger him about it?"

My gut reaction is that it would depend upon whether or not the revelation could do the person harm in some way.

[_Daniel Peterson]

I haven't been watching this too closely but can I ask for some clarification?
Let me use a personal example. I have coffee with a friend almost everyday. The other day he mentioned that a well known professor was gay. I said "hmm. really?". Then he said, "yes, it is well known and he is more or less openly gay".
I then yawned, we changed topics, and that was it.

Now am I to understand that Rollo thinks that my friend committed an immoral act of viscious gossip? I am loath to think so.
If you do think so then the next question is "how long should I badger him about it?"

You and I disagree on a great deal, Tarski, but I appreciate your fairmindedness on this. I'm not trying to impose a "position" on you or to conscript you into being my involuntary ally, but it seems pretty undeniable that your reaction to this issue parallels my own.

[_The Dude]

Hmmm, a thread is created that goes into detail on at least part of the impetus for creating FAIR, and notable FAIR posters are exposed as making fallacious assertions, and when the fallacious nature of those assertions were undeniably demonstrated, the same posters engaged in blame shifting BS behavior.

Yet MAD, so far as I can see, is completely silent on this thread.

Why no rebuttals? Clarifications? Corrections of all the supposed lies we're telling about the event?

Indeed! I've wondered the same thing. Maybe they've silently joined me in a vow of board-war pacifism? Somehow I doubt it, so the question remains.

Anyhow, I'm happy to see Daniel over here taking it head-on, instead of lobbing things from the safety of his home-board as usual. It's exactly the courage one hopes for in a heroic personage, whether it all ends in victory, tradgedy, or stalemate -- who cares! At least our hero has the bravery (and time) to battle Scratch the Dragon in his own lair.

[_beastie]

Indeed! I've wondered the same thing. Maybe they've silently joined me in a vow of board-war pacifism? Somehow I doubt it, so the question remains.

Anyhow, I'm happy to see Daniel over here taking it head-on, instead of lobbing things from the safety of his home-board as usual. It's exactly the courage one hopes for in a heroic personage, whether it all ends in victory, tradgedy, or stalemate -- who cares! At least our hero has the bravery (and time) to battle Scratch the Dragon in his own lair.

Yes, but I wish he would address the Z thread in particular - (I'm kind of bored with the continual Quinn rehashing)

DCP was quite heated and involved in that thread, even declaring it an example of why ZLMB was dead, and I wonder if his opinion on the event is unchanged.

[_Daniel Peterson]

Hmmm, a thread is created that goes into detail on at least part of the impetus for creating FAIR, and notable FAIR posters are exposed as making fallacious assertions, and when the fallacious nature of those assertions were undeniably demonstrated, the same posters engaged in blame shifting BS behavior.

Yet MAD, so far as I can see, is completely silent on this thread.

Why no rebuttals? Clarifications? Corrections of all the supposed lies we're telling about the event?

Indeed! I've wondered the same thing. Maybe they've silently joined me in a vow of board-war pacifism? Somehow I doubt it, so the question remains.

Maybe they haven't noticed. For my part, I'm not interested. I had nothing to do with the founding of the FAIR board, and essentially nothing to do with the transition to the MA&D board, and I just don't care.

Anyhow, I'm happy to see Daniel over here taking it head-on, instead of lobbing things from the safety of his home-board as usual. It's exactly the courage one hopes for in a heroic personage, whether it all ends in victory, tradgedy, or stalemate -- who cares! At least our hero has the bravery (and time) to battle Scratch the Dragon in his own lair.

It won't last long. I'm very fragile, and I need protection.

The mere thought of certain posters here and of their all-conquering arguments (I'm thinking particularly of PP, Schmo, and the dreaded Mercury) fills me with such terror that I have to resort to my smelling salts and my lovely little folding Chinese paper fan.

Mostly, though, I'm going out of town shortly. That'll probably do it for me. At least by and large. (I hope so, anyway. I probably won't leave altogether, though, because I think it will be useful -- not to mention amusing -- to announce new publications here.)

[_beastie]

They haven't noticed? Hardly likely. This thread has had 2596 views. I guarantee you the majority of those views are from visitors from MAD.

You seemed to believe that the events on the thread had something to do with the deterioration of ZLMB, which definitely had something to do with the creation of FAIR. Have you changed your mind?