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Jason wrote:Mmmmm I do not think so. Unless things have changes since I was a bishop. The instruction is to call the Salt Lake City hotline and get advice which may or may include reporting to local authorities abuse that is disclosed in a confession. The legal issues and clergy varies from state to state.


My mistake, then. I thought I remembered that changing. My brother in law served as a Bishop, and is now in the Stake Presidency. He is also an attorney. I remember him saying something about the possibility of it changing. I thought that it had.
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Half will be posting here or at RfM within 10 years.


Or perhaps this is where half will be:

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B23 wrote:
Fiannan wrote:I would love to see follow-up studies on the boys/men who go through this program. Will these be the kind of guys who hang a picture up of the church president above their bed even after they are married?


Half will be posting here or at RfM within 10 years.


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Jason--From all of the experiences you have related on the board about how you conducted yourself as Bishop, let me just once again say that your ward was very lucky to have you.

I'm sure they were sad when you were released.
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liz3564 wrote:
Jason wrote:Mmmmm I do not think so. Unless things have changes since I was a bishop. The instruction is to call the Salt Lake City hotline and get advice which may or may include reporting to local authorities abuse that is disclosed in a confession. The legal issues and clergy varies from state to state.


My mistake, then. I thought I remembered that changing. My brother in law served as a Bishop, and is now in the Stake Presidency. He is also an attorney. I remember him saying something about the possibility of it changing. I thought that it had.


Regardless of all that, I'd like to see the church put a lot of time and effort into combating abuse not just by reporting it, but by regularly teaching against it and educating people about staying safe/reporting things themselves in priesthood meetings, relief society, youth lessons, Sunday school and sacrament meetings.

Imagine the good they might do.
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liz3564 wrote:Jason--From all of the experiences you have related on the board about how you conducted yourself as Bishop, let me just once again say that your ward was very lucky to have you.

I'm sure they were sad when you were released.


You are kind. I think though I had pluses and minuses like any bishop. And I know there were a few members of my ward that were not overly fond of me or my style. Though I always gave them time to vent, complain, tell me what I or some other ward leader was doing wrong. Sometimes I got some good ideas from such discussions and I implemented the suggestions. Other times I said thanks and just continues on.

So there were a few who likely celebrated when I was released. But I will be honest and say my evil ego was stroked when after a number of months of the new bishop, who is a fine man but more traditional in his style as well as down the line, a number of members came to me and told me they really missed me.

Just so you know I told them the new bish was great and just to give him their support.
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why me wrote:Glad that I gave you something to think about. Many parents do not consider the implications of a free for all masturbation policy with their boys. Not fun to see sperm drops on the floor or on the sheets. What should a parent say to their son, Joey?

First of all, who's Joey? I suppose your natural inclination toward utter confusion extends itself to the people you're quoting.

And secondly, this has to set a record for the most effort ever expended to defend an incredibly idiotic argument.

So, if you have sons, do you make them wear a catheter in order to avoid urine drops on the bathroom floor? I mean, you need to consider the implications of a free for all peeing policy. I hope I've given you something to think about.
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Some great quotes on this subject:

There is a sorry side to this subject as well. I wish not to dwell on that beyond listing four transgressions which plague mankind, all of which inflict suffering upon little children.

First, that consummate physical union of man and woman belonging to the marriage covenant is now falsely proclaimed an acceptable indulgence for any two adults.

Second, the misuse of that procreative power in degraded acts of perversion is widely promoted as the right of consenting adults. This selfish behavior carries neither the responsibility nor the rewards of parenthood.

Third, the deliberate destruction of the innocent and helpless by abortion is now widely fostered—even publicly funded.

Fourth, the bodies and minds and morals of increasing numbers of little children are brutalized and abused by those who should protect them.

In it all, mankind has sown a bitter wind and reaps heartbreak, guilt, abandonment, divorce, addiction, disease, and death; and little children suffer. Little Children (Boyd K. Packer, 1986 Semi-Annual General Conference, Ensign)


Now, my young friends, and I am sorry to say, many adults, how about all those of you who have a masturbation problem? If the names of those who had the problem were projected across this big, huge scroll, would your name be there, or would you be able to sit back confident and pure in heart?

And, in a few cases, what if we had the names of those who had a homosexual problem? What if their names were on this huge scroll? Their names removed, then what if we had those who are adulterers, who are serving in priesthood positions, unbeknownst to many, unbeknownst unto anyone except themselves and the partner in sin?

Again let us talk about a self-inflicting purging. My young friends, how about all of you who have committed fornication? Or have been involved in petting? Suppose their names were on this huge scroll, so that all may see. Now, I can tell you this, I bear my solemn witness that if you do not self-inflict a purging in your lives, the time may well come when there might not be a scroll, but it will be as though there were. It may be as though it had been shouted from the tops of houses. People cannot hide sin. You cannot mock God and hold the Lord’s holy priesthood and pretend to propose that you are his servant.

I know of a great man who held his dead son in his arms, and said, “In the name of Jesus Christ and by the power and authority of the Holy Melchizedek Priesthood, I command you to live.” And the dead boy opened up his eyes.

This great brother could not have possibly done that had he been looking at a pornographic piece of material a few nights before or if he had been involved in any other transgression of that kind. The priesthood has to have a pure conduit to operate.

President J. Reuben Clark gave me great light many years ago on a great tremendous subject. He said (and these are my words, not his) that the sex urge does not have to be satisfied, that Satan’s old lie is that it does have to be satisfied.
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I am sorry to tell you that there are men in high places who have some fairly major moral problems, even as youth have the same problems.

We shouldn’t have a problem with masturbation. I know one fine father who interviewed his 11-year-old son and he said, “Son, if you never masturbate, the time will come in your life when you will be able to sit in front of your bishop at age 19, and say to him, ‘I have never done that in my life,’ and then you can go to the stake president when you are interviewed for your mission and tell him, ‘I have never done that in my life.’ And you would be quite a rare young man.”

The father again interviewed the young man, who is now 18 years old, and he asked the son about masturbation. The son said, “I have never done that in my life. You told me, Dad, that if I didn’t do that, I would be able to sit in front of the bishop and stake president and tell them I had never done it, and I would be a rare young man, and I am going to be able to do it.”

I believe, brethren, we have the willpower. We don’t have to buckle under Satan’s temptations. That urge does not have to be satisfied. It has to be transmuted to other things. A Self-Inflicted Purging (Vaughn J. Featherstone, 1975 Annual General Conference, Ensign)


The early apostles and prophets mention numerous sins that were reprehensible to them. Many of them were sexual sins—adultery, being without natural affection, lustfulness, infidelity, incontinence, filthy communications, impurity, inordinate affection, fornication. They included all sexual relations outside marriage—petting, sex perversion, masturbation, and preoccupation with sex in one’s thoughts and talking. Included are every hidden and secret sin and all unholy and impure thoughts and practices. President Kimball Speaks Out on Morality (Spencer W. Kimball, 1980 Semi-Annual General Conference, Ensign)


How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Once rooted, it sticks and grows—a leaf, a branch, a plant. It never starts mature and full grown. It is always transplanted an infant.

Nor does immorality begin in adultery or perversion. Those are full-grown adults. Little indiscretions are the berries—indiscretions like sex thoughts, sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise.

The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time, it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host.

Each seemingly small indiscretion seems powerless as compared to the sturdy body, the strong mind, the sweet spirit of the youth who gives way to the first temptation and who might, like the majestic tree, say: "Ha, little weed, little bottle! I can take you between my lips without harm. I'll look smart and be a good fellow with the crowd. Ha, little indiscretion! You are weak—I am strong. I can discard you at my pleasure."

But years later, I see him once again, and what a change! The strong has become weak; the master, the slave; his spiritual growth curtailed; he has isolated himself from the Church with all its uplifting influences. Has he not suffered a kind of spiritual death, leaving him like the tree—a mere skeleton of what he might have been? The Mistletoe (Spencer W. Kimball, 1967 Annual General Conference, Improvement Era)


The exercise of a man or woman’s sacred procreative powers makes each a partner with God in creation and brings to them in parenthood their greatest happiness. This divine partnership also brings their greatest privileges and most weighty responsibilities.

Since becoming a parent is such a transcending blessing, and since each child is so precious and brings so much happiness, a cardinal purpose of marriage and of life itself is to bring forth new life within this partnership with God. Obligations inherent in the creation of precious human life are a sacred trust, which if faithfully kept, will keep us from degenerating into moral bankrupts and from becoming mere addicts of lust.

The responsibilities involved in the divine life-giving process, and the functions of our body, are so sacrosanct that they are to be exercised only within the marriage relationship. Those who do not accept and meet those responsibilities, for any reason, as well as those who do, should never depart from the law of chastity if they wish to be truly happy. All members of this Church seeking eternal joy and peace are expected to and will wish to come to the marriage altar free from sexual transgressions—chaste and pure. Any who fail to do so may find that they have cheated themselves of their own self-respect, dignity, and much of the great joy they seek in marriage. Because of the special inner peace, strength, and happiness it brings, chastity, as the law of God, is and always has been really “in,” and unchastity is and always has been really “out.” The Sanctity of Life (James E. Faust, 1975 Annual General Conference, Ensign)
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Some Schmo wrote:First of all, who's Joey? I suppose your natural inclination toward utter confusion extends itself to the people you're quoting.

And secondly, this has to set a record for the most effort ever expended to defend an incredibly idiotic argument.

So, if you have sons, do you make them wear a catheter in order to avoid urine drops on the bathroom floor? I mean, you need to consider the implications of a free for all peeing policy. I hope I've given you something to think about.


Joey, is a fictional character who is a son of fictional parents. Most boys and girls know that masturbation is something that needs to be done in privacy. And most would feel that it is something wrong to do. This comes from christian and thus, cultural understanding. However, if a parent tells their sons and daughters that there is nothing morally wrong with masturbation and they are free to do it anytime they feel the need, well, it can become quite messy if one has a teenage boy. Now if teenage boys have been known for their cleanliness, no problem. But most teenage boys are not very clean, especially with their bedrooms.

A tissue may not do the trick.

Anyway I am glad that the masturbation thread has made a comeback. Where would this board be without masturbation?
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zeezrom wrote:Some great quotes on this subject:



I wonder if apostle Paul gave the early saints permission to masturbate when the need was felt? What do you think zee?

Now Athena, maybe she would freely give permission to masturbate. Have you asked her for permission and have you gotten a response? Sounds hot to ask a female goddess permission to masturbate.
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