The ldsfaqs / Climate Change MEGATHREAD

[_canpakes]

Since you’re just back to filling up the forum with repeats of your previous threads, I’ll just park this response to from Doc the last time you posted this bogus stuff:

im not going to format my post following ldsfaq's style. here are end of the world prophecies that include those evil religious types

Unspecified date

When the world is going to end it's a good idea to have a timetable of what will happen. Do not miss the last lunch and last supper. Both will be BBQ.
“”I saw one, one time, that said, "The next week, the world is ending." And in the next week's paper, they said, "We were miraculously saved at the zero hour by a koala-fish mutant bird." Crazy crap.
—Tabloid-reading customer in Clerks
Zoroastrianism claims that the end of the world will happen when a comet, called Gochihr, strikes the earth. It will cause all the world's metals to melt and will burn up the world. At the same time, sinners and the pious will pass through this river of molten metal. Sinners will have their sins burnt away and the pious will feel like they're "passing through warm milk."[1]
Norse myths say that Ragnarök will be the battle between the gods, killing all but two of the humans, who will then repopulate the earth.[2]
A number of scientific disasters have been suggested throughout the years. For example: epidemics,[3] various asteroids/comets, super-volcano eruptions,[4] and global warming. Note that these, like many other "end of world" predictions, would only be the end of humanity, or at most, of much/most/all life on Earth. The world itself would hardly notice the change.
1st century CE
Early Christianity: Second Coming. Any day now! In fact, within the lifetimes of Jesus's eyewitnesses.[5]
Revelation: Armageddon. Indeed, the very word "Apocalypse" is the Greek word for revelation.
4th century
Bishop and theologian Hilary of PoitiersWikipedia's W.svg predicted the world would end in 365 CE. Hilary's name means cheerful.[6][7]
Hilary's disciple, the popular saint, cloak-wearer, and hammerer Martin of ToursWikipedia's W.svg predicted the end would be around 400 CE.[7]
7th century
Muslims believed in the Qiyamah (Last Judgement) during which time Jesus[8] will come to earth, end all wars, and kill ad-Dajjal — the Muslim anti-Christ. Then every person who ever lived will be bodily resurrected, before being judged by God. The faithful go to heaven, and the rest to hell. Apparently there's also room for some "People of the Book," i.e. Jews and Christians, though hopefully there won't be any wars between the lot in heaven. Presumably God will actually do something to stop fighting within his heavenly realm, unlike on Earth, so that celestial wars would seem unlikely.
16th century

A little grandiose, eh?
Circa 1504: Painter Sandro Botticelli believed he was living during the End Times/TribulationWikipedia's W.svg, according to an inscription on his painting The Mystical Nativity.
1533: Michael Stifel, Judgement Day.[9] A common saying in German for PIDOOMA is to "calculate" or "talk a Stifel."[10]
18th century
1719: Jacob Bernoulli: a comet seen in 1680 would return and collide with the Earth.[11] Said comet hasn't been seen since.[12]
19th century
The "Great Disappointment": William Miller predicts the end would come in 1843... then 1844... oh. His many thousands of followers reacted in different ways to his utter failure: some wised up and gave up on his predictions, while others became Seventh Day Adventists. They're still waiting. Still others became the Jehovah's Witlesses, who badly retconned Miller's prediction so they could claim it actually did happen, just not the way he predicted.
1865: predicted by Edward Bishop Elliott, a Victorian Biblical scholar; he later revised this to 1941.[13][14]
1867: John Cumming, a popular anti-Catholic clergyman who preached in Covent Garden, London, in the mid-19th century and wrote about 180 books, interpreted Biblical prophecies to predict the glorious end days would come around 1867.[15]
1873: One of several predictions by the Adventist Jonas Wendell (1815-1873); this date was contained in his 1870 book The Present Truth, or Meat in Due Season; he had previously predicted the second coming in 1868.[16]
1881: according to an 1862 edition of the prophecies of Mother Shipton, who allegedly wrote "The world to an end shall come, In eighteen hundred and eighty one."[17] (Seems she was no better at poetry than she was at prediction.)
1890 or 1891: Native Americans involved in the Ghost DanceWikipedia's W.svg movement[18][19]: All the whites are gonna die really soon!
20th century

Halley's Comet (1910) : the tail did not wag the dog
1910: Halley's Comet's tail crosses the Earth and people think that the world will be gassed to death by cyanogen gas.[20]
1914: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21] Charles Taze Russell, founder of the Bible Student movement which evolved into the Jehovah's Witnesses, predicted the destruction of all world governments in October 1914 (he believed Jesus had secretly returned and had been ruling the world since 1874).[22]
1915: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21]
1918: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21]
1920: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21]
1923: Wilbur Glenn Voliva: Flat Earth to end[23]
1925: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21]
1927: Wilbur Glenn Voliva[23]
1930: Wilbur Glenn Voliva[23]
1934: Wilbur Glenn Voliva[23][24]
1935: Wilbur Glenn Voliva[23]
1941: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21]
1941: Victorian scholar Edward Bishop Elliott, based on his interpretation of the Book of Revelation, came up with this date after his earlier predictions in the 1860s proved untrue.[25]
1975: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[21][26]
Mid-1970s: David Wilkerson: Worldwide economic depression.[27]
1977: William Branham: Destruction of the U.S., termination of all governments into a world government, Second Coming.[28]
1977: Pyramidologist Adam Rutherford: Beginning of the Millennium.[29]
1978: Jim Jones took his cult with him.
1979-1980: John Todd: Installation of a world government ruled by the Illuminati, with Jimmy Carter as the anti-Christ. Because...peanuts?
1980: Pat Robertson: "A year of sorrow and bloodshed that will have no end soon, for the world is being torn apart, and my[30] kingdom shall rise from the ruins of it."
1981: Hal Lindsey: Pre-tribulational rapture.
1982: Pat Robertson: Great Tribulation.
1982: R.E. McMaster: World War III and/or economic depression, based on cyclical theory.[31]
1985: Pat Robertson: Worldwide economic collapse.
1988: Hal Lindsey: Second Coming.
September 11-13, 1988: Edgar Whisenant: Second Coming.[32]
1988: Colin Deal: Second Coming.[33]
1989: Edgar Whisenant: Second Second Coming.[34]
1990: Elizabeth Clare Prophet: Global thermonuclear war.
1991: Louis Farrakhan: The looming Gulf War would be the "War of Armageddon which is the final war."
1992 (September 28): Rollen Stewart: Second Coming.
1992: Mission for the Coming Days: Second Coming.[35]
1992: First end of the world prediction from collision with the Pleiades star cluster (a.k.a., "photon belt")
1994: Harold Camping: Second Coming.[36]
1994: Some Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[37]
1997: Heaven's Gate: Earth changes and a UFO abduction coinciding with the Hale-Bopp comet. Mass suicide in the hopes of hitching a ride on said UFOs.
1997: Jehovah's Witnesses: Armageddon.[26]
1998: The Church of the SubGenius: the Rupture. Every year on July 5th, they meet and party in reverence, certain that it will happen this year. (Recent writings have inverted the year to "8661.")
1999: according to some interpretations of Nostradamus[38]
1999:A now little-known collision with Planet X
August 18, 1999: Armageddon, according to Jeron "The Amazing Criswell" King [39]
1999-2000: David Wilkerson: Worldwide economic depression.[40]
May 5, 2000: Cataclysmic crust displacement predicted by Richard W. Noone[41]
2000: Y2K: Collapse of civilisation. Christian preachers in Papua New Guinea predicted the end.[42] Hal Lindsey failed on this one again.
21st century

Harold Camping was a perennial favorite. Oopsie!

Skeptics trolling for the rapture

2007 (November 1): Mario will trigger a meltdown in a massive galaxy reactor and will cause the universe to turn into a freakish dual tornado and subsequently explode.
≤2001: Cataclysmic crust displacement predicted by William Hutton.[43]
2002 (December 8th): Survivalist Bruce Beach (of Ark Two fame) predicted it on a Penn & Teller: BS! episode that was not aired until 2003.[44]
2003: Mary 2003 was supposed to have Earth cataclysmically smash into Nibiru/Planet X, according to ZetaTalk.
2005-2026: William Strauss and Neil Howe — a crisis period in the U.S. comparable in effect to the American Revolution, Civil War, and Great Depression/WWII.[45]
2007: Hal Lindsey — the Second Second Coming.
2007: Pat Robertson — the Great Tribulation.
2008 (whenever she dies): Sarah Palin believes she is of the "Final Generation" and will see the End Times during her lifetime.[citation needed]
2008 (whenever it shuts down): The Large Hadron Collider will destroy the world with black holes, strangelets, or something similarly scary and science-y.[46] (You can keep up to date with whether this has happened yet here.[47])
2009: David Wilkerson — Earth-shattering calamity engulfing the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America experiencing riots and blazing fires.[48]
2011: Harold Camping tries again — Third Second coming/rapture. May 21st, to be precise.[49] He put up billboards![50] Later postponed to October 21st, but again nothing came of it. Camping might hold on to the money people sent him if he weren't dead now, though he evidently blew a bundle on billboard advertisements.[51] though followers were encouraged to drain their savings for Camping's campaign funds and many are deeply disappointed.[52]
2011: Ronald Weinland: Second Coming on the 29th of September. Strike one!
2012: But of course! Un-naturally failed apocalypse, NASA pushed away space rock expected to hit in series of attempts to bombard asteroids in previous years.[53] (They even did this to the moon!) The following trail fell to/passed Earth in early 2013.[54] ;)
2012: Ronald Weinland — Second Coming on the 27th of May. Strike two!
2012: Last known end of the world prediction from collision with the Pleiades star cluster
2012 (December 21st): Eastern Lightning cult predicted the end of the world.[55]
2013: 2012 was just a warm up, the real bad stuff starts 2013 or something and it seems Isaac Newton predicted it.[56]
2013: Ronald Weinland — Second Coming on the 9th of May. Strike three, you're out! (see 2019 for strike 4)
2014 (February 22nd): Ragnarok — the end of the present world according to Norse mythology.[57]
2014 (March 21st): Asteroid?[58]
2014: World War III, resurrected Nostradamus prophecy of a fire in the North for the reference of the end of the age of the fifth sun,[59] believed to be a specific Northern region of a country, current speculation is North Korea, as relative to the resolution of a Pope prediction.[60] Oh, and the Rapture.[61] And a giant asteroid hitting the Caribbean.[62]
between April 2014 and October 2015: A tetrad of lunar eclipses (or blood moons) will signal the start of the end times, according to megachurch pastor John Hagee. [63]
Unspecified time during the reign of Pope Francis, the pope succeeding Benedict XVI. Mediaeval Saint Malachy supposedly predicted Peter the Roman (Petrus Romanus) would be the last pope, Rome would be destroyed and a terrible judge would judge his people, The end.[64] Doomsayers have already started shoehorning the new pope into the prediction.[65]
2015: Solar flare.[66]
2015 (September 23rd): (some references give a margin of September 18th to September 25th) Asteroid.[67]
2015 (October 7th): eBible Fellowship, an organization vaguely related to the late-Harold Camping, is confident they've got the date right this time.[68]
2016: Tom Wattkins:[69] He had a vision of the Great tribulation claiming to have met the beast of revelation, etc. Turns out the same day is a solar eclipse.[70], though of course he'll mention that.[69]
2016 (April 6th): Warren Jeffs, in no way due to a contemporaneous arrangement.[71]
2016 (May 16th): Pastor Richardo Salazar was allegedly told by God that an asteroid fully made of ice, with a 9km diameter, traveling at 30,000km per hour would strike earth killing 1,200 million people. As you probably can tell, that definitely happened and those totally dead 1,200 million people will be forever missed.[72]
2016 (June 3-4): Modern scholars got the Mayan date wrong. It was never 2012, rather it was June 2016 and there are plenty of numbers involved.[73]
2016 (June 14th-August 19th): According to this super reliable, super honest, super definitely-NOT-bullshiting "NASA scientist", there was meant to be a magnetic reversal between June and August which would cause the Van Allen belt to fall killing 80% of life on Earth. He got this information from aliens via HAARP. Yup, aliens told our good 'ol uncle Dr. Sal that the sky is falling.[74]
2016 (October 31st): Walid Shoebat alleges that the world is "100% certain" to end on this exact arbitrary nutjob date. As the basis for this claim, he refers to his own science of "Futurology 101".[75]
2016 (Fall): Bible student and computer scientist Nora Roth on MarkBeast.com claims as much through a lot of numerology surrounding seventy "sevens".[76]
2016 (December): Bible student and computer scientist Nora Roth subsequently revised her claim to December.[77]
September 23, 2017: Nibiru/Planet X will again collide with Earth, the second prediction by David Meade.[78]. Plus a rare constellation alignment will start the Rapture[79]
October 2017: Initial forecast made by David Meade[80][81]
October 15, 2017: The third time's a charm by David Meade.[82]
November 19, 2017: The fourth time is not so charming, David Meade.[83]
2017: Various Christians say we'll be chipped, and the Great Tribulation will begin.[84]
2017 to 2113: Asteroids.[85]
2018: 23th of April, David Meade strikes back... and fails again[86]
2018: The Bible guarantees May 20, 2018 Pentecost, or your money back.
2018: 24th of June, obscure crank Mathieu Jean-Marc Joseph Rodrigue ensures that doom is upon us, based on some middle school math.[87]
2018: Hal Lindsey — the Third Second Coming.
2019: Ronald Weinland, a serial doomsday crackpot who incorrectly predicted the world would end in 2011, 2012, and then 2013, now says it will definitely happen on June 9, 2019.[88]
2020: self-acclaimed psychic and astrologer Jeane Dixon has predicted the world will end in 2020. She previously said it would end in 1962. No doubt the 2020 date seemed distant enough back then that no one would notice it was bollocks.[89]
2026: More asteroids.[90]
2028: Fred Clark — a tongue-in-cheek offer guaranteeing 15 years of Bible-prophecy hucksterism for four easy payments of $39.99.[91]
2030: Approximate date of a mass extinction event predicted by Bob Geldof. Myles Allen of Oxford University claims "Competing hyperbole" are unhelpful in understanding real climate change. [92]
2031:World's end by way of irreversible climate change if there is insufficient mitigation, according to a United Nations report by climate scientists.[93][94][95]
2035: Even more asteroids.[96]
2036: Yet more asteroids.[97]
2037: Hal Lindsey — First Third Coming.
2038: Deterioration of the fundamental older technology that still underlies the most crucial systems today.[98]
2039: End of life, the universe and everything. Also known as the Ascension.
2040: Still more asteroids.[99] This seems to be a fan favourite.
2041: March 35th (sic) Not another asteroid.[100]
2048: Salt-Water Fish Extinction.[101]
2085: The original prediction for Nibiru's collision with Earth, later deprecated to 2012 for more profits prophets.
22nd century
2106: Asteroids never seem to stop.[102]
26th century
2525 A couple of guys from Nebraska speculated that the human race may already be extinct by this date. And also that it might limp on for another 7,475 years.Wikipedia's W.svg
29th century
2880: This Asteroid thing is outta hand![103]
87th century
8661: Updated end of the world date for the Church of the SubGenius (from the original 1998).
112th century
11103: The Doomsday argument, first stated in 1983, predicts that there is a 95% chance that the human species will go extinct within 9120 years.[104] N.B., the nature means that every year that passes without a doomsday advances the estimated doom ahead by 2 years. The world itself will still be here, of course — just not us.
400th century
40,000: In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
8,000,000th century
According to current models, the Sun is expected to increase in luminosity by 10% in the next 800 million years. This will cause several changes to the climate that will make the continued existence of life on Earth impossible, starting with photosynthetic organisms and eventually killing off all life.[105]
40 millionth century
The galaxy Andromeda (currently 2.5 million light years away) is expected to collide and merge with our galaxy, the Milky Way. This is unlikely to have much of an effect on whatever life is around, as galaxies are mostly empty space, although for any given planet, there is a tiny chance that its orbit could be disrupted due to gravitational tugs from passing stars.
50 millionth century
5 billion years from now: According to accepted models of stellar evolution, the Sun will run out of hydrogen in its core to fuse into helium and will transition to a red giant as a result, expanding massively.[106] The Sun will swallow Mercury and Venus, and may get large enough to swallow Earth as well. Even if it doesn't, Earth will be roasted to a cinder crisp.[citation NOT needed] One school of thought predicts that the drag from the Sun's outer gas envelope will cause the Earth to spiral into the Sun, but as with all things scientific, there is another school of thought that says this won't happen.[107] If it isn't swallowed, Earth will either get flung out into interstellar space due to tidal interactions with the Sun and the Sun's gradual loss of mass once it enters the red giant stage or will keep orbiting the dead Sun, perhaps reduced just to its core, for a long time to come.
200 millionth century
20 billion years from now: If the current rate of expansion of the universe grows, in 20 billion years, the universe could be expanding so rapidly that atoms will no longer be able to hold on to their electrons. This predicted event is known as the "Big Rip." Blame dark energy.
3×1041 st century
3×1043 years from now: estimated maximum time for all nucleons in the observable universe to decay, if protons are unstable. Whether they are is currently an unresolved question in physics. Exasecond and longerWikipedia's W.svg and Future of an expanding universeWikipedia's W.svg have a pile of similarly apocalyptic events that actually have some scientific basis. This is the Total Existence Failure of the entire universe; anything complex enough to be considered life that would care about it would likely have evaporated to nothing long before this. Out of all the above, this is the most likely.
∞th century
The heat death of the universeWikipedia's W.svg is a scientific prediction that eventually the universe will expand so much it will no longer contain any thermodynamic free energy with which to do work. At this point the universe will be cold, dark, and essentially empty forever. That is, unless quantum fluctuations or some other phenomena eventually cause something to occur, like a new Big Bang. Forever is a long time, and this kind of physics is poorly understood at present.

and let's not forget ldsfaqs belongs to...

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


- doc

[_mikwut]

Here is a link to the peer reviewed paper:

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... th_century

mikwut

[Guest]

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


- doc

so your rebuttal is:
1. climate scientists' predictions = LDS/Christian prophecies

got it!

[Guest]

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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints


- doc

so your rebuttal is:
1. climate scientists' predictions = LDS/Christian prophecies

got it!

The prediction is that you’ll suffer another bout of reading comprehension difficulty.

And so it comes to pass that this always comes to pass.

[_ldsfaqs]

Strawman...

And like I said when that post was originally posted, those are MANY GROUPS. AGW proponents are ONE GROUP, so you create a FALSE EQUIVALENCY...

I only "believe" in ONE of those religions... So, trying to put them ALL together as if they are the same, is corrupt dishonesty. For example, I'm sure you don't believe in AGW, but then also believe in Men on the Moon, etc.? You can't "combine" completely different belief systems and then try to claim you "won" the argument. Straw **** man!

And like I also said, your "prophets" have told WAY more false prophecies than that shortlist of ALL religions combined. What makes it worse, is you've mostly done it in just the last 50 years. You've listed claims from like the last 500 years with religion. But that's not all, you list some prophecy's that came true and still have yet to come true, thus further creating a strawman.

Try next time dealing with the information I post. But you can't, so as usual, all you all have are diversions and personal attacks.

[_subgenius]

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The prediction is that you’ll suffer another bout of reading comprehension difficulty.

And so it comes to pass that this always comes to pass.

Oh, well then - please comprehend us all as to the the relevance of your posting that rather exhaustive list.

[_canpakes]

Strawman...

And like I said when that post was originally posted, those are MANY GROUPS.
AGW proponents are ONE GROUP, so you create a FALSE EQUIVALENCY...

Well, that’s even worse for you.

You’re telling me that some scientists who are proponents of the idea that AGW can have detrimental effects are one group out of many scientists, but that “MANY GROUPS” of religious believers are all in with the ‘Earth’s gonna END!!1!’ (for no reason) story ... including the one you’re a member within, of which the Founder himself predicted the EOTW occurring at a date that has long since passed.

So, what are you complaining about, again?

[_canpakes]

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The prediction is that you’ll suffer another bout of reading comprehension difficulty.

And so it comes to pass that this always comes to pass.

Oh, well then - please comprehend us all as to the the relevance of your posting that rather exhaustive list.

Ah. You missed the thread title.

Not terribly observant this morning, are you? ; )

[_I have a question]

“7 climate change predictions that have come true”

Correct predictions of climate science

Gillis then lays out a number of historical predictions that climate science has made that have been correct.

1. Temperatures will rise in response to emissions of greenhouse gases

The first prediction dates back to 1897 by a Swede named Svante Arrhenius. This establishes that this science isn’t new. It’s been around for a long time. The average global temperature has risen by more than 1 degree Celsius since the late 1800s. This doesn’t sound like much but keep in mind this is for the entire planet.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/9 ... -come-true

2. The average rise in temperature

In 1967, Syokuro Manage and Richard T. Wetherald produced arguably the first climate model. Their model predicted:

A doubling of the CO2 content in the atmosphere has the effect of raising the temperature of the atmosphere (whose relative humidity is fixed) by about 2 °C
While temperatures have only risen by approximately 1 °C, CO2 levels have only increased by 50% over this time period.

Manabe himself later stated:

Models have been very effective in predicting climate change, but have not been as effective in predicting its impact on ecosystem[s] and human society. The distinction between the two has not been stated clearly. For this reason, major effort should be made to monitor globally not only climate change, but also its impact on ecosystem[s] through remote sensing from satellites as well as in-situ observation.

5. The oceans will rise

The rate of change we’re currently seeing is 3.4 mm/year. Since the late 1800s, it’s risen almost a foot.

And so on.

[_Dr. Shades]

[MODERATOR NOTE: For convenience's sake, should I combine all the ldsfaqs / climate change threads into one megathread?

If I do that, though, then I'm afraid I'd have to merge all Donald Trump threads into a single megathread, too, just to be FAIR.

Please let me know your thoughts on this matter.]