Martha Beck: FARMS reviews sexual abuse claims

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Re: Martha Beck: FARMS reviews sexual abuse claims

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asbestosman wrote:And the word abuse occurs several more times in that "spam". In fact it turns out that Martha thinks her late father suffered sexual abuse at the hands of his mother, her grandmother. So Hugh Nibley is an alleged victim too.


Do you think that excuses him, if indeed either abuse allegaton is true?
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harmony wrote:Do you think that excuses him, if indeed either abuse allegaton is true?

Of course not. Why are you asking me such a ridiculous and insulting question? The only thing that would excuse him is if he were insane which seems unlikely. If it were post-traumatic stress that had him do it, I cannot say one way or another about sanity and moral culpability since I am no mental expert (but I'd lock him away in that case anyhow since he would seem to be dangerous except that he's already dead).

No, I just thought it might be interesting to see if the mob would try to lynch Hugh's mother too, or she's safe since 1) she's a woman and 2) she's not a famous Mormon apologist.
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asbestosman wrote:
harmony wrote:Do you think that excuses him, if indeed either abuse allegaton is true?

Of course not. Why are you asking me such a ridiculous and insulting question?


Because it sounded like you were excusing him (if he did it), because he was also a victim of abuse (if she did it). My bad for misreading you. Please accept my apologies.

The only thing that would excuse him is if he were insane which seems unlikely. If it were post-traumatic stress that had him do it, I cannot say one way or another about sanity and moral culpability since I am no mental expert (but I'd lock him away in that case anyhow since he would seem to be dangerous except that he's already dead).


We'll never know, because he's dead.

No, I just thought it might be interesting to see if the mob would try to lynch Hugh's mother too, or she's safe since 1) she's a woman and 2) she's not a famous Mormon apologist.


Well, since Martha didn't name her grandmother in her book, I doubt the people on this thread (so kindly named by you as "the mob") would include her. But then, no one is defending her or whitewashing her or attacking her, and let's face it: she's not an LDS priesthood holding icon... so she's not going to get the same treatment. It would be relatively easy to throw her under the bus by both sides. Her son, on the other hand, has been held up as a paragon of virtue for decades, so Martha's allegations appear in a different light than an ordinary abuse allegation.

Allegations still though. And will never be anything else but.
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I just love allegations. Prove that Martha Brotherton wasn't a whore from her mother's breast. Prove that Fawn Brodie wasn't a child abuser. Prove that the early apostates weren't vile. Prove that Abraham Lincoln didn't molest kids. Prove it for Gandhi, Walt Disney, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, Susan B. Anthony, or any other number of dead heroes. If you can't prove it one way or another, then we'll just have to keep those allegations in mind like we do for Hugh Nibley instead of treating them the way we do allegations against Hugh's mother.

My bad for misreading you. Please accept my apologies.

Apology accepted. I really hope people don't think I excuse child abuse or any abuse for that matter except in the case of insanity. I think it's a normal human value and that those who do not share it are either themselves insane or monsters. I would hope that nobody thinks I fall into either category.
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Heh. In older age, Gandhi slept naked with teenage girls to prove to himself he could resist the temptation to screw them. Not one of his better traits.
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