Am I responsible for the "culture" of MormonDiscussions.com?

[_Chap]

Buffalo,

If he were using my screen name as a vehicle to falsely accuse another poster, I would be all over him as soon as I saw it. Cam leveled far more vulgar insults and female slurs at me than anything that ever came out of Schryver's keyboard.

That's probably why Belmont keeps bringing it up and why he posted some of Cam's remarks to me on the Schryver thread that was initiated by MsJack.

Cam's past remarks to me make Schryver's gender related remarks look like a collection of Valentines.

Sounds pretty bad. What would you say is the worst one? You don't have to dredge up all of them.

Obviously if this question is to be discussed sensibly we do need someone to assemble some specimens. It is not reasonable to expect each of us to go out and research Dr CamNC4me's posts for ourselves to see how often he has posted something unpleasant about or to Jersey Girl.

As things stand at the moment, I can say that before MsJack posted her summary I always had a clear impression that Schryver was in the habit of saying nasty things to or about women, whereas I did not have that impression about Dr CamNC4me in relation to Jersey Girl.

NO - DON'T HIT THAT KEYBOARD Jersey Girl - hear (or read) me out.

I think I can work out how that fact about me could be consistent with Dr CamNC4me saying unpleasant things to Jersey Girl with some frequency. Schryver's nastinesses usually occurred in the context of threads discussing substantive scholarly issues that I was attending to fairly closely - indeed, they were amongst his ways of dealing with any female opponent who shaped up to him in any serious way. So I would inevitably notice them.

Could it be that Cam posted nasty stuff about Jersey Girl in a different kind of thread, the sort that I don't usually attend to much?

Anyhow, for me the question is open until the evidence is in: assertion is not quite enough here (certainly not Belmont's assertion!) Or, if Cam really has said a lot of bad stuff to Jersey Girl, he could always fess up now, say sorry and not do it again. That would save a lot of time and energy, wouldn't it, and be far more grown-up. Feel the need to do that, Cam?

(Odd: I can remember seeing an instance where Cam professed to be so disgusted by what Schryver said to one woman poster that he challenged him to a boxing match in the gym. At the time I though his reaction was pretty good. Aren't people complicated?)

[_Everybody Wang Chung]

Test question: Why do you think Jersey Girl hasn't created a thread documenting Cam's vulgar remarks?

Is it because you are busy working on a thread documenting Simon's vulgar remarks?

[_Buffalo]

Buffalo

Sounds pretty bad. What would you say is the worst one? You don't have to dredge up all of them.

You know what, Buff, give me some time to think over whether or not I want to see those remarks reposted.

I don't know if you read me on a fairly regular basis or have an impression of my personality. I have no problem with most forms of profanity. The remarks made to me were vulgar. Now, I am certain that vulgarity is in the eye of the beholder.

Example: Shades has stated many times that the words "s***" and "f***" are the worst swear words one can use. Where I come from, you hear these words probably every place except church. :-) So, they don't bother me much.

When I see male posters resort to gender related slurs as a main form of response, I simply categorize them as anti-intellectual low life's and in the case of Cam, I put him on ignore a long time ago and only recently took him off to engage him regarding his attacks against Droopy.

I don't know if Belmont is going to repost the remarks or not. I have no contact with him in that regard. But, let me think about whether or not I, personally, want to make specific reference to them or not.

Fair enough - thanks Jersey Girl

[_Jersey Girl]

Test question: Why do you think Jersey Girl hasn't created a thread documenting Cam's vulgar remarks?

What, it's not multiple choice? :)


I think it is because you think those comments stand on their own as a monument to CamNC4Me's vulgarity and stupidity. I believe you think he has damned himself, and there is probably no reason for you to bring to light things that everyone already knows.

I think also that you believe that calling attention to such remarks gives CamNC4Me undue attention of which he is wholly undeserving.

Am I close?

Let me try to find something...

[_Jersey Girl]

Here's one example of how I dealt with Cam's remarks, I think this is 2008.

Repost:

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=180323#p180323


Dear *insert insult*,

Well, I wasn't going to say anything, but I think your intellect falls somewhere between a fatuous Giants fan and The Nehor. So, take that how you will.

I largely ignore it.

You're barking up the wrong tree when it comes to Christianity. I think Christianity is just as devoid of historical benefit to the human race as is Mormonism. If anything, it's worse.

Did someone ask you to recite your opinion on Christianity? You might want to review the exchanges to figure out what you were talking about to begin with.

As far as the rest of your comments are concerned they don't apply to me, and I could really care less if your feelings are hurt that Mr. Peterson brings this kind of scorn upon himself. Now go get some Midol, wash the sand out of your vagina, and behave yourself. You have standards to uphold.

I love it whenever overly defensive males who can't respond on point resort to making gender related comments to a female poster. The female posters "feelings are hurt", she menstruates, she has a vagina.

Evade much?

[_Jersey Girl]

Extracted from the repost:

I love it whenever overly defensive males who can't respond on point resort to making gender related comments to a female poster.

is exactly how I view Cam, who at the time posted as A8 and other male posters who resort to the same. In my view, they simply can't "hack it". That is to say, I see them as intellectual weaklings.

[_Buffalo]

As far as the rest of your comments are concerned they don't apply to me, and I could really care less if your feelings are hurt that Mr. Peterson brings this kind of scorn upon himself. Now go get some Midol, wash the sand out of your vagina, and behave yourself. You have standards to uphold.

I love it whenever overly defensive males who can't respond on point resort to making gender related comments to a female poster. The female posters "feelings are hurt", she menstruates, she has a vagina.

Evade much?

Yeah, that's pretty bad. I'd say as bad as Will, but not worse.

[_Jersey Girl]

As I stated in the prior post, I see male posters who respond like Cam/A8 did in the above sample, as intellectual weaklings. Eventually I simply write them off, as in the case of CAM, I put him on ignore a long time ago.

I recently took him off ignore when I read a thread while logged out and observed his remarks to Droopy. Starting at this page, is how I handled it.
If anyone cares to review what I did, just follow the exchanges between myself and Cam.

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18551&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=42

In this case, I entered the thread to oppose the remarks being made about Droopy. I think this is a fair representation of what I can do when motivated.

So, the answer to the test question, Belmont, is that yes, to a certain degree I think his remarks stand on their own. I also believe that male posters who regularly resort to making female slurs as a form of response are weak and in the case of Cam, I've always known that I could drive him into the ground were I motivated to do so. I think that is evident on the thread I've linked to above.

So...I wouldn't give Cam the time of day with regards to creating a thread that lists his remarks, I wouldn't invest that much time on him because, quite frankly, he's not worth it. Perhaps the one and only time you have or will ever see me go after him is in defense of another poster. I don't feel a need to defend myself against an intellectual weakling.

Does that make sense?

His "apology" was bogus. It simply represented an attempt to make himself appear "legit" to gain entry to the Schryver thread. He knew he couldn't criticize Schryver on account of his own track record here.

It is just as I said.

[_Jersey Girl]

Buffalo

Yeah, that's pretty bad. I'd say as bad as Will, but not worse.

Really. Tell you what, Buffalo, do me the courtesy of searching on the word "pissflaps".

Your search results will lead you to Cam's original use of the phrase and also lead you to a thread created by Ray A with regards to sexual harassment on this board.

These kinds of threads such as the one we're posting on, are cyclical. In my view, after a steady diet of such behavior, a community uprising takes place. Rules and policies are instituted and then, over a period of time, it happens again.

As I stated previously in the thread, I would like to see the rules enforced. Many of the Universal Rules were decided upon by the community as a response to Ray A's harassment thread and a few other things that were stirring at the time.

The rules aren't being acted upon here. I see no reason for example, for these memegenerator links to be present on this board. I likewise see NO reason for Facebook links to be present on this board.

It is as if the board has become a never ending loop of "I'll find out who you are and embarrass the hell out of you with it" and what has that got to do with "discussion"?

[_Jersey Girl]

Getting back on topic and addressing Shade's OP.

Yes, Shades, I feel that you are in large part responsible for the culture of this board. There are rules in place, that I believe aren't being acted upon. As I mentioned in my prior post, why are we allowing these memegenerator and Facebook links on this board?

Why?

Those types of things aren't "discussion", they are personal attacks on posters using in real life images and content for the sole purpose of mockery and embarrassment.

You have stated many times that you don't want smilies here because they give the appearance of a kindergarten coloring book and also stated that you don't want this board to become a series of youtube type posts, when that's exactly what it looks like.

I say, cut out the memegenerator and Facebook references, and ACT on the rules and work at clipping out the derails.