Mormonism and Evolution

[_Chap]

Indeed, a naïve and purely combinatorical probability calculation would lead one to say that Bernard convection cells are virtually impossible. Yet they form spontaneously quite often in an ordinary pan of cooking oil.

Self organization baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhImCA5DsQ0

Now the delusion resorts to magic tricks? Heat up a little oil and is pools uniformly. Nice. Mr Math infers:

"Look at that kiddies. Self organization. Now does anyone still believe in God?"

It's precisely NOT about the oil 'pooling evenly'.

The point is, rather, that an orderly pattern can under some circumstances emerge out of an initially chaotic system, without the need for anyone to be there to organize it. It organizes itself.

Rayleigh–Bénard convection is a type of natural convection, occurring in a plane of fluid heated from below, in which the fluid develops a regular pattern of convection cells known as Bénard cells. Rayleigh–Bénard convection is one of the most commonly studied convection phenomena because of its analytical and experimental accessibility.[1] The convection patterns are the most carefully examined example of self-organizing nonlinear systems[1].

[_Nightlion]

It more than adequately addresses the question of the diversity of species. Why do you insist it answer to more

Quite to the contrary. It is in fact the huge variety within each species that kills the probability of evolution cold. If evolution occurred we could at best expect the most stale and staid life devoid of an artistic composition, with no variety whatsoever.

Good grief, you used up all the time allotted just to get out of the muck and go ahead to capriciously toss into the mix all the species in all their abundant varieties, just what,.....because there they are! Do the math. That is what proves it impossible. You cannot show how one hair was made black or white.

And the only reason evolution was foisted upon humanity was because the greedy bastards who saw technology coming wanted to oppress mankind in fleecing all the money by inventing a health care system {imagine that? all based upon blood and horror} which could deceive people into thinking that these processes and machines are the new god which will cure everything and the only god with which this world can expect a cure from. Vee moost eleemiinates zee computeeshion, God is dead. So now they indeed have TAKEN all the treasures of the earth.

My paycheck has a greater deduction for health care than US taxes. And my employer kicks in two times more! Good hell, who gets all that cash? When they pay a bill at a hospital or doctors office they tell them to stuff it and pay a fixed percentage of the amount............?????

The only thing that keeps evolving is the damn BEAST. Follow the money.

[_Nightlion]

Now the delusion resorts to magic tricks? Heat up a little oil and is pools uniformly. Nice. Mr Math infers:

"Look at that kiddies. Self organization. Now does anyone still believe in God?"

It's precisely NOT about the oil 'pooling evenly'.

The point is, rather, that an orderly pattern can under some circumstances emerge out of an initially chaotic system, without the need for anyone to be there to organize it. It organizes itself.

Rayleigh–Bénard convection is a type of natural convection, occurring in a plane of fluid heated from below, in which the fluid develops a regular pattern of convection cells known as Bénard cells. Rayleigh–Bénard convection is one of the most commonly studied convection phenomena because of its analytical and experimental accessibility.[1] The convection patterns are the most carefully examined example of self-organizing nonlinear systems[1].

WHAT? You are saying it is not blue, it is baloo. How very delusional.

[_Chap]

WHAT? You are saying it is not blue, it is baloo. How very delusional.

I think it would be better for both of us if I to stop attempting to explain at this point. Have a good day!

[_Nightlion]

WHAT? You are saying it is not blue, it is baloo. How very delusional.

I think it would be better for both of us if I to stop attempting to explain at this point. Have a good day!

A Scipologetic brush off ehh?

[_Tarski]

WHAT?[/size] You are saying it is not blue, it is baloo. How very delusional.

No one has any idea what you are talking about except that apparently you don't understand convection cells or their significance.

The oil doesn't "pool" and it certainly isn't uniform. It was uniform before it was heated. Why should the cells form at all? There set of all possibilities dwarfs those that have a cell structure. Yet we get the cell structure.

I suppose you don't understand my point because you don't understand what the misguided probability calculations are allegedly showing and in what way. Since you don't even understand their (the creationist's) argument, it is not surprising you don't see the point of my counterargument.

[_emilysmith]

So, are we to believe that God has a hand in every instance of every type of emergent property?

[_Franktalk]

Franktalk, the theory of evolution attempts to explain the diversity of species that exists on Earth. That's it. It's not about the "meaning of life", or who or what we should worship, or in what positions and with whom we are allowed to have sex, or whatever other questions you "accuse" it of not addressing.....

Oh please, do you deny the thousands of articles written about how evolution is responsible for every aspect of our life. According to evolutionist who we sleep with, who we worship, and all aspects and meanings of life are driven by evolution.

http://allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-sex.htm

If indeed evolution is responsible for sex then all sexual conduct is driven by the mechanism of change. Everything associated with sex came from the systems of chemicals and parts made by evolution. You do believe in science don't you?

Why do you fight it? It is evolution that drives you. All of those chemicals darting around in your brain. Then once you breed evolution has no need for you and you are cast off like a dead salmon floating down a stream. Embrace the idea that you are just here for the next generation and nothing else, your life has no meaning, your dirt nap is coming and only then can you get off the treadmill of evolution.

[_bcspace]

So, are we to believe that God has a hand in every instance of every type of emergent property?

Yes as per the scripture (D&C 59:21). But not necessarily a direct hand imho.

[_Buffalo]

Franktalk, the theory of evolution attempts to explain the diversity of species that exists on Earth. That's it. It's not about the "meaning of life", or who or what we should worship, or in what positions and with whom we are allowed to have sex, or whatever other questions you "accuse" it of not addressing.....

Oh please, do you deny the thousands of articles written about how evolution is responsible for every aspect of our life. According to evolutionist who we sleep with, who we worship, and all aspects and meanings of life are driven by evolution.

http://allaboutscience.org/evolution-of-sex.htm

If indeed evolution is responsible for sex then all sexual conduct is driven by the mechanism of change. Everything associated with sex came from the systems of chemicals and parts made by evolution. You do believe in science don't you?

Why do you fight it? It is evolution that drives you. All of those chemicals darting around in your brain. Then once you breed evolution has no need for you and you are cast off like a dead salmon floating down a stream. Embrace the idea that you are just here for the next generation and nothing else, your life has no meaning, your dirt nap is coming and only then can you get off the treadmill of evolution.

Does not follow.