DCP Responds to Getting "Fired" from the Review

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I'm wondering if DCP actually wanted it all leaked. He would have known the leaks would end up here, or on some other exmo board. Then he could successfully tie the actions against him to exmo gloating, as if taking action against him furthers the anti-mormon agenda. Perhaps he's banking on the reaction of exmo's to make the powers-that-be question their decision.
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Shulem wrote:Oh. It's over. All this was not just done overnight over the whims of an executive director. He had it cleared through his boss and so up the line. Peterson has been put out by the powers that be and there is nothing he can do about it. He admitted to being checkmated and has lost. Game over.

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beastie wrote:I'm wondering if DCP actually wanted it all leaked. He would have known the leaks would end up here, or on some other exmo board. Then he could successfully tie the actions against him to exmo gloating, as if taking action against him furthers the anti-mormon agenda. Perhaps he's banking on the reaction of exmo's to make the powers-that-be question their decision.


As others have expressed, I don't know how he couldn't have expected it to be leaked after ccing 18 other people. If you want something to remain private, you don't put anything in the cc or bcc lines.
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beastie wrote:I'm wondering if DCP actually wanted it all leaked. He would have known the leaks would end up here, or on some other exmo board. Then he could successfully tie the actions against him to exmo gloating, as if taking action against him furthers the anti-mormon agenda. Perhaps he's banking on the reaction of exmo's to make the powers-that-be question their decision.


Oh, I think you are right on the money there. He was careful to leave out crucial information about donors, and what he revealed about the MI would only be damaging to the MI, which had just done him wrong. He wanted to make sure that his prophecy about ex-Mo gloating would be fulfilled.

I would note, however, that there have been a number of expressions of sympathy too, which puts the lie to the stereotype of the demonic, inhuman apostate who takes great pleasure in the suffering of the righteous.
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beastie wrote:I'm wondering if DCP actually wanted it all leaked. He would have known the leaks would end up here, or on some other exmo board. Then he could successfully tie the actions against him to exmo gloating, as if taking action against him furthers the anti-mormon agenda. Perhaps he's banking on the reaction of exmo's to make the powers-that-be question their decision.

Certainly possible, but part of me thinks he did not want it leaked, because I can only imagine the embarrassment and humiliation he must be going through right now. His reputation has a taken a serious hit, and his response to Bradford comes across very badly, in my opinion (i.e., threats, etc.). I don't think he desired it to be leaked, but knew it likely would be (in his own email he noted that Scratch had already reported on Bradford's email), so he was cautious in what he disclosed. I honestly feel bad for him because no one should have to go through this in such a public way.
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Hey Rollo :smile:
Rollo Tomasi wrote: His reputation has a taken a serious hit, and his response to Bradford comes across very badly, in my opinion (i.e., threats, etc.).


Yep!

I honestly feel bad for him because no one should have to go through this in such a public way.


Yep!

by the way, Rollo, I wish you would post more often on these boards. I always seem to enjoy your contributions and find them to be very well measured, reasonable, fair, and frequently spot on!

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:Certainly possible, but part of me thinks he did not want it leaked, because I can only imagine the embarrassment and humiliation he must be going through right now. His reputation has a taken a serious hit, and his response to Bradford comes across very badly, in my opinion (i.e., threats, etc.). I don't think he desired it to be leaked, but knew it likely would be (in his own email he noted that Scratch had already reported on Bradford's email), so he was cautious in what he disclosed. I honestly feel bad for him because no one should have to go through this in such a public way.


It seems to me that his message anticipated humiliation already. And, I don't really see anything in his reaction to this that isn't consistent with his treatment of others, so, how does he come off looking worse than he did before (in his view)? After all, it is Bradford who is the dirty bird, from his perspective, and this is an argument to Bradford to call him on the carpet for lying to donors, etc. In any case, it is complicated. Who knows? Does he even know? In times like this it is supremely difficult to keep a clear head.
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It's not "lying to donors" when an charity changes direction, unless the basic underlying mandate is changed midstream. Donors expect growth and change in the charity; that is the norm. Stagnant unwillingness to change is not the norm.
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Ceeboo wrote:by the way, Rollo, I wish you would post more often on these boards. I always seem to enjoy your contributions and find them to be very well measured, reasonable, fair, and frequently spot on!

Thanks for the kind words, but I've been participating on Mormon-related bb's for so long that I eventually burned out. I still peruse on a frequent basis, but rarely engage in deep research and conversation because it takes so much time and effort, and, in the end, usually ends up in nastiness. I'm getting too old for that. Nevertheless, my questions, concerns, problems, etc., with Mormonism cannot be discussed in any great depth at home or in church, so this is really my only outlet, for which I am very grateful. There have been difficult religious times for me when this place kept me from going insane (I exaggerate, of course, but this place has been a godsend during very tough times). So, thanks to the good Dr. Shades for making this possible.
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beastie wrote:I'm wondering if DCP actually wanted it all leaked. He would have known the leaks would end up here, or on some other exmo board. Then he could successfully tie the actions against him to exmo gloating, as if taking action against him furthers the anti-mormon agenda. Perhaps he's banking on the reaction of exmo's to make the powers-that-be question their decision.


for what it's worth, back last year during Schryvergate, my informant told me that this was basically the same argument that they used to defend Schryver: i.e., that failing to publish his stuff would be caving in to "anti-Mormon blackmail." I'm sure that DCP is hoping that this line of argument will work this time around as well. What he doesn't seem to realize is that not everyone shares his "Holy War" POV.
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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