Anyone Watch the Latest Democrat Debate? Anyone care?

[_ajax18]

Wanting to secure the future of a particular race as opposed to securing the future of humanity makes you a racist, no matter what your heritage is.

Would you consider "Black Lives Matter," a racist organization since it by definition focuses on helping black victims of police violence while ignoring victims of police violence of other races?

Is the United Negro college fund racist since it seeks to help pay educational costs to the exclusion of equally economically disadvantaged non black people?

If I started giving a Scottish American college scholarship, you'd consider that racist for sure right?

Wanting to secure the future of a particular race as opposed to securing the future of humanity makes you a racist, no matter what your heritage is.

How does the NAACP not meet the criteria of this definition of racism?

[_Some Schmo]

But here's the thing: two people can have the exact same thing happen to them, but can react in diametrically opposed ways. What is the difference? Why isn't the outcome of this environmental influence the same in all cases?

Biology, of course, like you said, plus differences in prior environmental influences they may have had! That's why I said that some people are more malleable to environmental influences that others. It is not very often that two or more diametrically opposed reactions to the same environmental influence are equally good. The more malleable individual is more likely to react the way that best fits the environmental influence.

I missed this post before, Gunnar.

I hear you on "prior environmental influences" and malleability. I can't help but think, but isn't malleability another biologically sourced attribute?

Here's what I'll say: my own biology is making me think it's all about biology. Reminds me of Emo Phillips: I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body. Then I realized who was telling me this.

[_Some Schmo]

Another argument for biology:

When we talk about our environment, or our "nurture," we're talking about a person's entire available world. There's no chance a person can absorb everything that environment has to offer, so they have to pick and choose what seems important to them. The very options we take of what environmental factors we think about/influence us makes biology king right from the outset. We're ignoring much of the environment we don't care about, despite being exposed to it.

[_Some Schmo]

Wanting to secure the future of a particular race as opposed to securing the future of humanity makes you a racist, no matter what your heritage is.

Would you consider "Black Lives Matter," a racist organization since it by definition focuses on helping black victims of police violence while ignoring victims of police violence of other races?

Prove that they are ignoring police violence of other races, and we'll talk. It seems to me they wouldn't have an issue if they perceived police violence as the same across all races, so they can't really be ignoring it, can they?

In all of your examples, you seem to have inferred that these organizations were trying to advance their advantages past all other races. I perceive them as just trying to catch up.

And by the way, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that certain members of those organizations were themselves racist. They're people too. Does that make it OK? They have racists, so we need them too?

[_subgenius]

Prove that they are ignoring police violence of other races...

um, the biggest hint might be found in the "B" of #BLM.

[_ajax18]

And by the way, it wouldn't surprise me at all to find out that certain members of those organizations were themselves racist. They're people too. Does that make it OK? They have racists, so we need them too?

According to the definition you gave above the NAACP is a racist organization. Yet the left refuses to be true to its own definition of racism. This is why they're getting the backlash they are getting.

There are children born into poverty in all races. Why should their race be the deciding factor in whether we choose to help them catch up or not? Is it ok to discriminate against them because there has been a lot of white people born into privilege in the past? How is this not racist?

As I've told you in the past, I've done a lot of informal charity work for Latino people during and since my mission. I don't do as much as I do for my own kids or parents but I don't think that should mean I'm a racist. I think we need to put a limit on the flow rate of impoverished immigrants we can reasonably absorb into our economy. I still don' think that should mean I'm a racist.

[_EAllusion]

Prove that they are ignoring police violence of other races...

um, the biggest hint might be found in the "B" of #BLM.

Their focus is police abuses and impunity that disproportionately affects blacks due to racial biases. This does not logically, nor in actuality preclude caring about all forms of police abuse. It doesn’t say only black lives matter. It’s an assertion that black lives matter too.

[_Some Schmo]

I still don' think that should mean I'm a racist.

Little of what you said necessarily makes you a racist. It's the fact that you focus on race so much that indicates you're a racist.

Nobody on this board brings up race as much as you do. That's what makes it easy to observe, man, all that guy seems to care about is race.

It's a similar phenomenon to the way people react to DT. All those weird posts exposing his views on women, and you start to get the feeling the guy has issues there. Maybe even some misogyny.

All we have to go on about you is what you're writing on the Internet.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

Perhaps this question is too vague for Ajax18 to untangle:

Why don't we start with what's right about your position so I can address it rather than end up chasing ghosts?

Ajax,

I need to wrap my mind around your perspective, so rather than focusing on other minorities and their perceived special status I’d like to figure out what is “White” to you, and what is the White race to you. Clarifying questions follow.

1) Which ethnic groups around the globe qualify as White to you?

2) If you could create an ethnostate which ethnicities would you include?

3) Do you consider Jews to be White?

4) What roles do you believe Jews are playing in working against White interests?

5) Do you believe the White “race” will go extinct some day?


- Doc

[_ajax18]

Perhaps this question is too vague for Ajax18 to untangle:

Why don't we start with what's right about your position so I can address it rather than end up chasing ghosts?

Ajax,

I need to wrap my mind around your perspective, so rather than focusing on other minorities and their perceived special status I’d like to figure out what is “White” to you, and what is the White race to you. Clarifying questions follow.

1) Which ethnic groups around the globe qualify as White to you?

2) If you could create an ethnostate which ethnicities would you include?

3) Do you consider Jews to be White?

4) What roles do you believe Jews are playing in working against White interests?

5) Do you believe the White “race” will go extinct some day?


- Doc

Your side is the one who is defining race so I'll need you to answer a few questions first.

NAACP (National Association for the Advancement of Colored People)-who qualifies as a colored person?

When the government doles out college money to Indians, how much Indian do you need to qualify?

When you say Barack Obama was the first black president, how little white DNA must he have to qualify for this title?

If you accuse someone of advancing the interests of their own race to the exclusion of other races, what percentage more of their time and money must be spent on their own race to qualify them as bona fide racists? Often times people have children that belong to the same race as the parents. If the parents give special favors to their children is that racism or nepotism? If it's a nonwhite person do you just call them a good parent and a humanitarian?

When you federally mandate a company hire a certain percentage of minorities, do mulattos count the same as African Americans? Do Hispanics count as white for hiring purposes? Do Hispanics count as white when they commit a crime?

How about George Zimmerman? Is he a southern good ole boy, Hispanic, or a Jew? Which part of him did the media try to portray him as?