John, release your finances

[_Kishkumen]

Oh goodie...another Rosebud thread...

Rosebud, Why does it matter to you what John Dehlin earns? Who gives a F*** . Just like every American has the opportunity to do, I hope yhe's getting as much of the pie as he can. Whether it is $1.00 or a $1,000,000 why the F*** do you care.

His income is set by the board of the 501(c) that he works for. Unless you are a contributor to Mormon Stories, (which I rather doubt you are) why do you give a damn?

I have some ideas about this, although your advice to move on is sound.

I think people are upset because John is definitely looking out for himself and his family first. He has also been accused of paying men a lot more than women. So, there are things he has done, is accused of doing, etc., that don’t sit well with some people. I can see that.

On the other hand, John probably feels like the amount of effort, sacrifice, risk, investment, etc., that he has put into all of this justifies him benefitting from his labors. Should he and his family not live comfortably?

When all is said and done I guess I feel that he is the guy who ultimately made this work and keeps it going. Certainly not alone, mind you. He had a lot of help. But MoSto and Open Stories Foundation are clearly his babies in that, had he not done all of this, these things would not exist. If others are willing to pay him to do what he does, he arguably deserves the lion’s share of the financial benefit.

During the Shelton interviews John makes the point that he did not sign up to be an ascetic. There you go. He is very public about it. If you disagree, by all means move on. Go support those who have signed up to be ascetics. If you think Kristy Money deserved more pay for her contributions and that spoils MoSto for you, do not continue supporting John. If you are deeply offended that John got sexual with Rosebud and you believe her side of the story to the point that you are enraged at John, do not put yourself through the stress of being in the JD orbit.

[_Rosebud]

As a coda to the thread up to this point, I thought I would note the rich irony in the fact that the MoSto episode (1201) directly before the one Rosebud linked to in this thread (1202) was concerned, to no small degree, with the problem of fellow leave-takers attacking the professional activists. I guess this is a thing. Chris Shelton ends up having to do some of the same things that John Dehlin is sometimes criticized for—such as blocking people on social media—because dealing with obsessive carpers gets really, really exhausting. Rosebud is not the lone obsessive attacking a leave-taking activist. It’s a phenomenon!

Of course it was, Kish. That’s how John works. He’s always pre-emoting to desensitize his audience and prepare them for any criticism he knows is on the way.

That his not rich irony... that’s a primary point. He’s preparing himself by preparing his audience because he knows he’s going to be under public attack in the next little while. That discussion (didn’t listen, but don’t need to) was an intentional part of his preparation.

Ex-Mormons are so easy to manipulate. They’re vulnerable to what he’s doing. And Kish, you appear to fall for his every move.

And for what it’s worth, there are a lot of people who have contributed a lot to MoSto (myself included, at one point), but there appears to be only one person benefitting financially from the many many contributions. Why is that? How does that come to be? How is he getting all these people to contribute and work for him for pennies? With honesty? How’s he keeping them silent? With kindness or intimidation?

People volunteer for non-profits because they’re non-profits. Many people take small salaries from non-profits because they’re non-profits and because they believe they’re contributing to a greater good. People expect their contributions to be effectively managed. They expect to be told the truth.

What happened last year was another mass exodus/lay off coinciding with a hidden increase in John’s salary. Makes sense that all the people involved contributed a lot, no? And John takes all the money while he runs a “transparent” 501(c)3?

Or not? The public doesn’t know because he isn’t really transparent. He just says that he is in order to get more contributions.

I’m hitting myself for opening this thread and reading a couple posts again. Some of you are as dense as bricks. I need to repeat myself to present the obvious and then you criticize me for repeating myself instead of hearing what I’m saying. You insult me because I was foolish enough to fall for his manipulations and allow him to seduce me while you fall for his manipulations.

You attack the messenger because you don’t like my message and you do like John’s.

Anyway, I’ve accomplished my objective with this thread. The rest is yada yada.

[_Maksutov]

Another drive by smear from the liar.

John Dehlin must be doing something right to have these ugly little toads after him.

I've started listening to him after not for a couple of years. Thanks, Rosebud! Lots of good on his program. I can see why a resentful little twat like Rosebud would hate someone doing something so positive. The Murdock affair is what I'm listening to now.

I can see Kirton McConkie slipping a little widow's mite to somebody who wants to harrass Dehlin and inflame the "exMo community". Gotta finish what Greg Smith started.

[_Dr. Shades]

The Murdock affair is what I'm listening to now.

What is this "Murdock Affair" of which you speak?

[_Maksutov]

The Murdock affair is what I'm listening to now.

What is this "Murdock Affair" of which you speak?

https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast/steven-murdock/

This is the famous former bishop from Holladay who decided to take pictures of a young woman disrobing in a clothing store in Nashville. There's a lot more to it.

[_Kishkumen]

I can see Kirton McConkie slipping a little widow's mite to somebody who wants to harrass Dehlin and inflame the "exMo community". Gotta finish what Greg Smith started.

Oddly enough, Chris Shelton talked about how the Church of Scientology maps social networks and manipulates people connected to activists in order to attack them through these “tools.”

As crazy as it sounds, it would not be above the LDS Church to pull the same kind of thing. We might ask, for example, who it was who suggested to Rosebud to watch only the last 7 minutes of episode 1202 of Mormon Stories. Lacking the further context of the rest of the series, she was more likely to get riled up by this part, and get others riled up by having them watch the same bit.

In any case, the LDS Church has reason to hate Dehlin more than ever. He has landed excellent interviews with people who had access to the highest echelon of the LDS Church, who have turned away from the faith BECAUSE of the Church’s position and policies regarding LGBTQ+. We should not underestimate what kind of black eye this has given the leadership of the LDS Church.

Roger Hendrix has identified Dehlin and other podcasters as the biggest collective game changer in Mormonism. Here is a guy who was working close to the center of LDS power and wealth. He has been back again on Mormon Stories as a guest. This kind of thing does not sit well with the Strengthening the Members Committee, no doubt.

And remember, it may not be Rosebud herself, but someone communicating with her. She would be easy to manipulate because of her obsession with JD.

[_Kishkumen]

You attack the messenger because you don’t like my message and you do like John’s.

I attack the messenger because you behave like a creep.

I am actually fairly open if indifferent to a lot of the message.

Yeah, I really don’t care if John makes a healthy middle class wage.

Yeah, I am not sure I believe you when you steadfastly refuse to back up your claims.

No, I don’t think any of us are “stupid” for doubting you and being turned off by your behavior.

[_Rosebud]

Screenshot of Open Stories Foundation Finances page taken November 16, 2019 demonstrating that the most recent financial report posted to the Open Stories Foundation website was a "2017 Condensed Financial Statements and Supplemental Information."

LINK

[_Lemmie]

Screenshot of Open Stories Foundation Finances page taken November 16, 2019 demonstrating that the most recent financial report posted to the Open Stories Foundation website was a "2017 Condensed Financial Statements and Supplemental Information."

LINK

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Be sure to report to the IRS that you think a 501-c(3) is one day late in filing their 990. The penalty is $20, so you may have to file a reward request in order to get a percentage of that penalty.

Also, let both the IRS and the police know that you have “personal knowledge” that donated funds are being stolen from a foundation, and that you have knowledge regarding exactly how much the foundation director is being paid, in advance of the public filing of that information. Be sure to explain that if you tell them how you know these things, people will get in trouble. Both the police and the IRS may want to know how you gained access to a foundation’s private information, so I would take a lawyer with you.

[_Rosebud]

John, your defensive army’s arguments are getting weaker and weaker. The new members don’t know much and there’s been a lot of attrition.

Get it done. Better late than never. Maybe once you’re through the stress of Thrive day.

Again, be honest. You can make public statements saying the claims are baseless, but public statements are easy. Proof isn’t.

https://www.openstoriesfoundation.org/o ... cusations/

And you have a lot to prove.

Make sure you have your 2013 Declaration ready. I’m all for talking about the context of what happened in Idaho. We can talk about grooming and “seduction” publicly as well as exactly what I meant when I wrote those texts. Let’s talk about all of it... Including what you used that Declaration for.

Also, for your information (and for any historians who might be shifting through all of this)...

In addition to the private charge with the New Hampshire Human Rights Commission of which you are aware, there are also now pertinent court records in Massachusetts, Texas and New Hampshire.

Go fir it. Defend yourself. Don’t rely on an uninformed army who can’t see through the trees because they were so hurt by Mormonism. That’s cowardice. Stop being such a coward.

In fact, if you wanted, you could use today, Thrive day, to make some sort of emotional public statement to engender pity and trust. That wouldn’t be a bad idea. Very preemptive.

Just a thought.... but you’ve no doubt already considered it.

I look forward to seeing what you decide to do.