Does DCP Require Biased Moderation?

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My responses in blue.

Name calling, insulting personal attributed because a person is a believer, slanders and defmations against leaders, and ridiculing and mocking of those things believers hold sacred. That is ugliness.

What you fail to see, and you are not alone in this, is that you can yourself be guilty of name calling, insulting others and other religious leaders, and ridiculing and mocking things that others hold sacred.

Believe me, hana, if I had been disposed to call names, you would have gotten it full barrel today. You really worked at pushing my buttons. But I didn't. I did make the tin foili hat remarks after being taunted unmercifully. But I didn't shoot first.

If you want to post references to where I ever insulted another's ecclesiastical leader, or things that any other religion held sacred, you may make the claim, otherwise, you should really sit down and close your mouth. I have NEVER done those things.


How much of that happens over on MADB? A fair amount.

So your defense is "well somebody else does it, too?" And I have never seen the kind of thing on MA&D that goes on over here. You wonder why Kevin-"You are such an idiot"-Graham isn't allowed over there? Or Mercury, who hasn't made a substaniative post to me in the whole time I have been here, only snide like slaps and insults? Or do you just ignore those acts of maleficience when they come from anti's and critics?

Some people might think Evangelicals are good guys. They get plenty of criticism over on MADB.
Some people might think Huckabee's a decent fellow. He gets plenty of criticism over on MADB.
Some people might think Constantine was a good guy. He doesn't get championed much over on MADB.
Some people might consider their form of baptism sacred, or how they observe a ritual differently than you. That doesn't stop criticism coming from Mormon quarters.

Criticism and ugliness are two different things. There is a poster over on MA&D whose screen name is Rhinomelon. He is not LDS. Everybody likes him there. Not becasue he agrees with everything, but becasue he is able to discuss differences in a civil manner.

You diss others regularly. You and others diss other religions, religious figures, religious practices. Doesn't seem to bother you in the least. But then you cry foul when it happens to you.

I challenge you again to show me one post where I dissed any other religion, religious figures, religious practices. And don't lump me in with others. I don't have accountability for anyone's actions but my own, and those I particularly champion.

What is sacred to you could be an offense to what is sacred to another. And vice versa.

But we don't have to be ugly about it! I simply refrain from commenting on others' sacred practices if I don't agree with them. And again I challenge you to show me one post where I demeaned anything sacred to someone else.

But you don't see that. It's doubtful you ever will.

You have never been good at reading my mind, but you keep trying. Wrong again.

[_the road to hana]

If you want to post references to where I ever insulted another's ecclesiastical leader, or things that any other religion held sacred, you may make the claim, otherwise, you should really sit down and close your mouth. I have NEVER done those things.

I hate this blue business. Is there some reason you can't use the quote function?

Never?

Did you ever participate in temple ritual where a non-LDS minister is mocked in the process?

Just in this thread alone, you made comments about Constantine, baptism, and the sacrament that could be construed as offensive to some non-LDS Christians. You have no awareness of that.

You also seem to have no awareness of a central point highlighted by Mitt Romney's recent run for the presidency. The mere existence of Mormonism is seen as an assault on things held sacred to many non-LDS Christians, particularly Evangelicals, in this country. The way God is represented by Mormons, various doctrines and particularly practices, are held to be affronts to their own closely held beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the atonement, and the sacred. You don't see that.

[_the road to hana]

Criticism and ugliness are two different things. There is a poster over on MA&D whose screen name is Rhinomelon. He is not LDS. Everybody likes him there. Not becasue he agrees with everything, but becasue he is able to discuss differences in a civil manner.

Rhinomelon is upping the ante over there, in case you hadn't noticed. Eventually, even his head will be on the chopping block. Julie and all keep him around as a token critic and EV, like they do a handful of others, so it will appear they are tolerant and invite dialogue and debate. But eventually, even the most civil of critics gets shown the door. Rhino's patience for the intolerance over there is wearing thin.

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If you want to post references to where I ever insulted another's ecclesiastical leader, or things that any other religion held sacred, you may make the claim, otherwise, you should really sit down and close your mouth. I have NEVER done those things.

I hate this blue business. Is there some reason you can't use the quote function?

Never?

Did you ever participate in temple ritual where a non-LDS minister is mocked in the process?

Just in this thread alone, you made comments about Constantine, baptism, and the sacrament that could be construed as offensive to some non-LDS Christians. You have no awareness of that.

You also seem to have no awareness of a central point highlighted by Mitt Romney's recent run for the presidency. The mere existence of Mormonism is seen as an assault on things held sacred to many non-LDS Christians, particularly Evangelicals, in this country. The way God is represented by Mormons, various doctrines and particularly practices, are held to be affronts to their own closely held beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the atonement, and the sacred. You don't see that.

What I hate is forty paragraphs per post. The quote function cuts up the page too much. So if you keep the paragraphs down and separate ideas and charges and insults down to a reasonable level (say under 5) I won't be forced to use color.

1. Yes, I have a demosntrated track record of being able to use the quote function with those people who know how to write manageble posts.

2. Yes. I was a temple goer, prior to the "big" change. While the non-LDS minister did not represent ALL non-LDS minister, there were some who were exacltly like him. I knew of one myself. Wanted money. Had no interest in his congregants except as to how much they put in the collection plate. How did I know of him? One of his congregants was my best friend in college. She told me all about him.

3. Constantine, baptism, sacrament. Statements of fact. You believe in those. At least you say you do, and you also have said that facts are facts, and you let them fall where they may. Does that only pertain to you? And people who believe the way you do?

4. Mitt Romney, et al. So you are saying "Mormons exist, therefore they offend?" That Evangelicals can protest our very existence because they don't like us? Pardon me, but I thought this was the United States of America, where we had freedom of religion.

And thank you for proving what has been denied on this board, that Mormons are persecuted. The reason the Church was driven from place to place in the earliest history was because of this very idea. "Don't you know that the mere existence of Mormons is an assault." Thanks, hana. We always knew that was there, if not in open mobbing, at least just barely under the surface.

There, your quote function is intact.

[_the road to hana]

2. Yes. I was a temple goer, prior to the "big" change. While the non-LDS minister did not represent ALL non-LDS minister, there were some who were exacltly like him. I knew of one myself. Wanted money. Had no interest in his congregants except as to how much they put in the collection plate. How did I know of him? One of his congregants was my best friend in college. She told me all about him.

So you admit to insulting another's ecclesiastical leader.

3. Constantine, baptism, sacrament. Statements of fact.

I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here.

Joseph Smith was a con artist. Statement of fact? Proxy baptism is heretical and offensive. Statement of fact? Polyandry is nasty business. Statement of fact? Mormons changed priesthood policy in 1978 in response to political pressure. Statement of fact?

4. Mitt Romney, et al. So you are saying "Mormons exist, therefore they offend?" That Evangelicals can protest our very existence because they don't like us? Pardon me, but I thought this was the United States of America, where we had freedom of religion.

This is just so delicious I'm going to let it stand on its face.

Remind us again how you've never insulted another's ecclesiastical leader.

And thank you for proving what has been denied on this board, that Mormons are persecuted. The reason the Church was driven from place to place in the earliest history was because of this very idea. "Don't you know that the mere existence of Mormons is an assault." Thanks, hana. We always knew that was there, if not in open mobbing, at least just barely under the surface.

There, your quote function is intact.

Poor sparrow. Poor, poor persecuted sparrow.

If there's anything I'm particularly proud of from my time as a faithful Latter-day Saint, it's that I never wallowed in a Mormon persecution complex. It's a convenient out.

Get a clue. Mitt didn't lose because he was Mormon. He lost because he was Mitt. It isn't a referendum on the church, except that they participated in the silliness by regularly dispatching official spokespeople to dissemble whenever Mitt's own dissembling was insufficient.

Memo to Mitt Romney. Next time you want to run, just run. Don't make it a missionary exercise. Memo to Mormons. Next time Mitt runs, let him run. Don't glom onto him as a poster boy for the faith.

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2. Yes. I was a temple goer, prior to the "big" change. While the non-LDS minister did not represent ALL non-LDS minister, there were some who were exacltly like him. I knew of one myself. Wanted money. Had no interest in his congregants except as to how much they put in the collection plate. How did I know of him? One of his congregants was my best friend in college. She told me all about him.

I never insulted anybody's ecclesiastical leader. Pre-change, I sat and watched a moive, without speaking a work. When my friend was telling me what an awful pastor they had, I don't remember being able to say anything, because I didn't have one to compare him to.

So, no, I never did, not did I admit to insulted another's ecclesiatical leader. I wish you would read what I post.

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3. Constantine, baptism, sacrament. Statements of fact.

I have absolutely no idea what you're saying here.

Now I wish you would read what you yourself wrote. Gosh, hana.

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Joseph Smith was a con artist. Statement of fact? Proxy baptism is heretical and offensive. Statement of fact? Polyandry is nasty business. Statement of fact? Mormons changed priesthood policy in 1978 in response to political pressure. Statement of fact?

Not one single fact there. A bunch of conjectures, speculations about what happened, and then a totally erroneous interpretation of the meager grasp of "facts" that you had. All wrong.

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4. Mitt Romney, et al. So you are saying "Mormons exist, therefore they offend?" That Evangelicals can protest our very existence because they don't like us? Pardon me, but I thought this was the United States of America, where we had freedom of religion.

This is just so delicious I'm going to let it stand on its face.

Remind us again how you've never insulted another's ecclesiastical leader.

You don't even make sense sometimes.

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And thank you for proving what has been denied on this board, that Mormons are persecuted. The reason the Church was driven from place to place in the earliest history was because of this very idea. "Don't you know that the mere existence of Mormons is an assault." Thanks, hana. We always knew that was there, if not in open mobbing, at least just barely under the surface.

There, your quote function is intact.

Poor sparrow. Poor, poor persecuted sparrow.

If there's anything I'm particularly proud of from my time as a faithful Latter-day Saint, it's that I never wallowed in a Mormon persecution complex. It's a convenient out. [/quote[

Hana Present, let me introduce you to Hana Past, who just posted.

"You also seem to have no awareness of a central point highlighted by Mitt Romney's recent run for the presidency. The mere existence of Mormonism is seen as an assault on things held sacred to many non-LDS Christians, particularly Evangelicals, in this country. The way God is represented by Mormons, various doctrines and particularly practices, are held to be affronts to their own closely held beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the atonement, and the sacred. You don't see that."

So which is it? Mormonism is an affront, and this was the central point of Romney's run? Or it was just becasue he was Mitt? Make up your mind. You are going to get dizzy from spinning your head around.

Oh, and as a political advisor, don't quit your day job.

[_the road to hana]

So, no, I never did, not did I admit to insulted another's ecclesiatical leader. I wish you would read what I post.

Did you participate in temple ritual that insulted another's ecclesiastical leader?

Not one single fact there. A bunch of conjectures, speculations about what happened, and then a totally erroneous interpretation of the meager grasp of "facts" that you had. All wrong.

Are you talking about your characterization of Constantine? Your assumptions about pre-Mormon or extra-Mormon Christianity? Your whitewashed version of Joseph Smith and the early history of Mormonism?

Hana Present, let me introduce you to Hana Past, who just posted.

"You also seem to have no awareness of a central point highlighted by Mitt Romney's recent run for the presidency. The mere existence of Mormonism is seen as an assault on things held sacred to many non-LDS Christians, particularly Evangelicals, in this country. The way God is represented by Mormons, various doctrines and particularly practices, are held to be affronts to their own closely held beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the atonement, and the sacred. You don't see that."

So which is it? Mormonism is an affront, and this was the central point of Romney's run?

Mormonism wasn't the central point of Romney's run. Romney was the central point of Romney's run. I said that this was highlighted by the recent Romney run. Mormons trying to make Romney a poster child was the problem.

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So, no, I never did, not did I admit to insulted another's ecclesiatical leader. I wish you would read what I post.

Did you participate in temple ritual that insulted another's ecclesiastical leader?

No particular ecclesiastical leader was insulted. No church's leader. Generic. And it did actually fit some individuals. As I explained, but as you ignored.

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Not one single fact there. A bunch of conjectures, speculations about what happened, and then a totally erroneous interpretation of the meager grasp of "facts" that you had. All wrong.

Are you talking about your characterization of Constantine? Your assumptions about pre-Mormon or extra-Mormon Christianity? Your whitewashed version of Joseph Smith and the early history of Mormonism?

**Yawn** Mantras always put me to sleep.

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Hana Present, let me introduce you to Hana Past, who just posted.

"You also seem to have no awareness of a central point highlighted by Mitt Romney's recent run for the presidency. The mere existence of Mormonism is seen as an assault on things held sacred to many non-LDS Christians, particularly Evangelicals, in this country. The way God is represented by Mormons, various doctrines and particularly practices, are held to be affronts to their own closely held beliefs about God, Jesus Christ, the atonement, and the sacred. You don't see that."

So which is it? Mormonism is an affront, and this was the central point of Romney's run?

Mormonism wasn't the central point of Romney's run. Romney was the central point of Romney's run. I said that this was highlighted by the recent Romney run. Mormons trying to make Romney a poster child was the problem.

Oh, no you didn't. READ WHAT YOU WROTE!

[_cksalmon]

Nevermind.