Building the FARMS Ziggurat

[_beastie]

"Keep your mind on the things above" is a biblical scripture that leaps to mind for me. In your case, I would alter it to include "mind and eyes". That wouldn't include honing in on KA's torso and fixating on her anatomy. Unless she is freakishly tall and you are unusually short-statured and your eyes have no place else to go but even so, that would be a lame excuse for being an offensive, obtrusive, annoying, unrepentant breast-starer.

I actually appreciated the Mormon missionaries, among the only males I encountered who actually looked at my face when they talked to me. Excuse me for thinking that was something to do with their religion. So we're back to the point already made elsewhere that yeah, if you preach the Word people may expect you to follow it yourself. Crazy how that works eh?

Heh. I first noticed this trait in Will when he referred to his first meeting with KA long ago (too long ago for me to be able to find the post). If I recall correctly, he stated he could hardly take his eyes off her, hinting strongly that his eyes were drawn mainly toward her breasts. It surprised me for a self-professed LDS believer to make such a comment, so I began to notice other comments he would make, as well. His comments about women's anatomy were frequent enough that he did, indeed, appear to be the cyber equivalent of a "breast-starer".

I do admit I have a bias against men who ogle women like that. Sure, men appreciate a woman's body, and vice versa, but men who have a modicum of respect for females don't openly ogle them. Some men are just so obnoxious about it that it's stunning. And they figure females should be flattered by their attention. Ugh.

I'm as vain as anyone else, and, throughout my life, knowing that men found me attractive gave me feelings of pleasure. But men more than adequately convey that in subtle, non-ogling ways. It never gave me pleasure for a man to openly ogle me. The message that conveyed wasn't "you're an attractive woman", but rather, "you're a piece of meat that I have the right to visually molest as openly as I want."

[_rcrocket]

Heh. I first noticed this trait in Will when he referred to his first meeting with KA long ago (too long ago for me to be able to find the post).

http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/vie ... and#p81880

[_Nightingale]

It never gave me pleasure for a man to openly ogle me. The message that conveyed wasn't "you're an attractive woman", but rather, "you're a piece of meat that I have the right to visually molest as openly as I want."

Absolutely, Beastie. I appreciate people looking at my face when they're talking to me. At least throughout the best part of the conversation. Besides, if a man's eyes are elsewhere, are their brains far behind? Then you can be sure they're not concentrating on what you're saying and will likely miss something vital.

But yeah. On this and other issues, the point is not for a supposedly religious man to be the same as others (as they often claim as an excuse) but to be better than. That is the message, right? I don't see what the problem is with having expectations of people who are preaching to you that they will try to be at least as civil as other people outside their group. How lame is it to claim to be "no worse" than a non-believer? (I'm not saying Will S said that - I'm just generalizing).

(Sorry for all the italics. Guess I'm taking over from DCP). hehe

[_beastie]

The title of the post is enough, isn't it? Purposefully outing details of my private life -- in a sexual way?

Oh, for heaven's sake. We've been over this ad nauseum. Yes, I made a joke at your expense, and it was in poor taste. No, I did not out details of your personal life. Yes, I apologized shortly afterward.

As I've said before, if this is the worst you can drag up from my posting, I must be a saint.

So, tell us, crocket - if you made flirtatious and/or suggestive comments to other women, would your wife feel respected by you?

[_asbestosman]

I usually look at people's feet, and no, I don't have a shoe fetish. Conversely, I'm not sure I've ever seen anyone check me out. You'd think that with blue eyes it would be tempting, but alas those blue eyes are probably looking at your shoes. Hey, I'm an outgoing engineer. The normal ones only look at their own shoes (and not because they put mirrors on them).

[_asbestosman]

But yeah. On this and other issues, the point is not for a supposedly religious man to be the same as others (as they often claim as an excuse) but to be better than. That is the message, right?

No.

I don't see what the problem is with having expectations of people who are preaching to you that they will try to be at least as civil as other people outside their group.

Yes.

[_William Schryver]

I simply cannot let this one pass without comment.

beastlie:

Heh. I first noticed this trait in Will when he referred to his first meeting with KA long ago (too long ago for me to be able to find the post). If I recall correctly, he stated he could hardly take his eyes off her, hinting strongly that his eyes were drawn mainly toward her breasts. It surprised me for a self-professed LDS believer to make such a comment, so I began to notice other comments he would make, as well. His comments about women's anatomy were frequent enough that he did, indeed, appear to be the cyber equivalent of a "breast-starer".

beastlie, you are a lying, deceitful bitch of a woman.

I defy anyone to locate anything I have ever written on this board or elsewhere that could be reasonably seen as fitting the description you give above.

I have long understood that you people are not beneath making these sorts of "over-the-top" charges. The things Scratch and others have written about DCP over the years are ample proof of that. And I also understand that you don't find it necessary to document allegations that you make, no matter how outrageous. It is your sole intent to throw out this kind of stuff and then permit it to take on a life of its own. But there is a distinct difference between my carefully-worded "flirtations" and the type of things you insinuate above. So, search away, and let's see what you can turn up. If you fail, then it will be evident to everyone -- at least the honest ones -- that you are little more than a rank propagandist.

And, for the record, I find it difficult to believe that "men" have ever found you attractive, at least not without the aid of excess testosterone, several shots of tequila and extremely dim lighting. You are simply too ugly in soul for it to not show through. It gives me the willies just thinking about what you must really look like ...

[_rcrocket]

Hey, bob, it's a miracle you have seven kids. I guess that means your wife laid back and thought of England seven times. God knows I'd never let a misogynist touch me.

No, I did not out details of your personal life.

Hmm. The two quotes don't quite add up, do they?

Yes, I apologized shortly afterward.

Didja now? I must have missed it. Maybe your original post was a "test" and all in fun.

Continue on with your comments about somebody else's sexual misbehavior.

[_beastie]

Didja now? I must have missed it. Maybe your original post was a "test" and all in fun.

Continue on with your comments about somebody else's sexual misbehavior.

Not only did I apologize on the very thread you linked, but reminded you of that apology quite recently. You have serious memory deficiencies.

From page 3 of the thread bob linked:

by the way, I do regret making the comment about bob's wife thinking about England. That was said in a moment of anger. I apologize to bob for that, but not for the rest of my observations about the "Ms. Scratch" incident.

Like I said, if this is the best you can do to try and construct an argument that I'm just as vulgar as Will, you're out of luck.

As for "outing personal information", unless you're arguing that I revealed personal information that your wife laid back and thought of England, you can only be referring to the number of children. That information had already been posted on the board, and not by me.

[The Stig]

Just to save beastlie some time, I did her research for her.

Here is the documentary history, sparse as it is, of my references to Kimberly Ann and the black dress she wore to the 2006 Exmormon Foundation conference in Salt Lake City:

KA made the first reference:

I was there, also. In a rather infamous black dress...

viewtopic.php?p=68202#p68202

Some days later I made an oblique reference to the same black dress:

Per Kimberly Ann’s request, and because my heart is still twitterpated at the recollection of her in [a] slinky black dress, I am posting my reply from the other thread …

viewtopic.php?p=68540#p68540

Followed a few days later by the last reference I could find in the archives:

I’m perfect in my imperfection. You’re perfect in your black dress.

viewtopic.php?p=70496#p70496

There you have it folks. The history of my fixation with Kimberly Ann, her “infamous” black dress, and presumably her formerly “DD” breasts.

Incidentally, the female breast is, in my estimation, one of the artistic masterpieces of God’s creation. I find it distressing that so many people are inclined to shame, angst, and horror at the thought of it.

Unlike so many sexually-liberated “moderns,” the ancients were not nearly as troubled by such things, as my current avatar attests.

Farewell …
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Edit: I might note that, if KA did not desire her breasts to be "ogled" on the evening in question, she might have selected from her wardrobe an item of clothing that more effectively covered the body parts in question. The black dress she chose could not have covered more than 40% of the breastage she brought to the occasion. Her attire would have been more appropriate for an AVN expo in Las Vegas.