Only Official Doctrine Can Defend Official Doctrine

[_Spurven Ten Sing]

Put that to music and you got a hit.

[_stemelbow]

Your "source" is your own vague, unsubstantiated platitude with no reference to fact?

Stemelbow, do you feel that arbitrarily believing in various things without proof is a virtue? Why or why not?

Not necessarily. I realize what I believe comes off as arbitrarily believing vairous things without proof, but I can' thelp but think differently. i simply can't prove much of anything to do regarding my spiritual experience. I realize that so I see no reason to hold disbelief against you or anyone.

[_stemelbow]

DJ,

I;m not sure what more to say. You would have it that I take the position that I can prove the church true, it seems. Therefore when I offer my ideas of why your critiques don't work, you expect my reasoning to somehow include a proof tha tthe Church is true. Yet, i admit I can't prove the Church true. In this venture I have merely addressed your critique and noted you have hastily jumped to conclusions. That's not to say, as you keep trying to force upon me, that my responses to your critiques are arguments to prove my beliefs true. As it is, you have simply misunderstood me. And when I explain this to you, you persist in your misunderstanding. Oh well, it happens.

You want to, it seems, expose the flaws in the Church. I accept you don't believe it. I just find your reasoning in some aspects untenable. That's not to say ultimately there is great reason to believe, necessarily.

oh well...repeatin' myself ain't gettin' us anywhere near a resolution.

[_schreech]

...snip...

Here, let me fix that for you...."I know that the things I believe make no sense to anyone but me as I have rationalized and compartmentalized them beyond any possibility that other people might be able to understand and agree with them....Logic, reason, evidence and rational thought don't enter into my "faith" so I can't prove that the LDS church is true to someone who actually bases their thoughts/life/beliefs on these foundations....Elohim loves me and it doesn't matter how many women Joe had sex with because i still believe he was a "prophet"...You want to expose my, obviously fictitious, religious beliefs for the sham that they are but i cannot accept that and will continue to tell myself that its not my fault that you can't seem to base your life on non-nonsensical fables"

[_stemelbow]

Schreech,

what are you talking about. You got me all wrong, well I mean partially wrong. Ah well....i guess that's how it goes.

[_Darth J]

Your "source" is your own vague, unsubstantiated platitude with no reference to fact?

Stemelbow, do you feel that arbitrarily believing in various things without proof is a virtue? Why or why not?

Not necessarily. I realize what I believe comes off as arbitrarily believing vairous things without proof, but I can' thelp but think differently. i simply can't prove much of anything to do regarding my spiritual experience. I realize that so I see no reason to hold disbelief against you or anyone.

I am truly, deeply touched by the innuendo that you have received personal revelation explaining the priesthood ban to you personally, even though the Lord has neglected to give a similar revelation to the Church.

[_Darth J]

DJ,

I;m not sure what more to say. You would have it that I take the position that I can prove the church true, it seems. Therefore when I offer my ideas of why your critiques don't work, you expect my reasoning to somehow include a proof tha tthe Church is true. Yet, i admit I can't prove the Church true. In this venture I have merely addressed your critique and noted you have hastily jumped to conclusions. That's not to say, as you keep trying to force upon me, that my responses to your critiques are arguments to prove my beliefs true. As it is, you have simply misunderstood me. And when I explain this to you, you persist in your misunderstanding. Oh well, it happens.

You want to, it seems, expose the flaws in the Church. I accept you don't believe it. I just find your reasoning in some aspects untenable. That's not to say ultimately there is great reason to believe, necessarily.

oh well...repeatin' myself ain't gettin' us anywhere near a resolution.

See: Irrelevant conclusion

[_Darth J]

So.......

Would anyone like to address the OP?

[_stemelbow]

Heya DJ.

Your ability to twist my words and ideas into something foreign to me, I'm sure, aids you well in your critical proclivities. I dare say, if I were to be so adamantly dogmatic in my position regarding the Church i too would have to learn to do that same trick. Ah well...We all have our interest, hobbies and skills.

[_Darth J]

Anyone? Anyone at all wish to respond to the OP?