Questions about the God of the Old Testament

[_Stormy Waters]

I'd like to pose this question to all of you believe that the Old Testament is inspired.

If God commanded you to kill every man, woman, child, and infant, would you be willing to do it?

Could you kill a child as her mother watched? Could you ignore her tears and her pleas begging for you to spare her child? Could you chase down and kill an adolescent as he desperately tried to flee? Could you kill the elderly even if they were too sick to get out of bed? Could you kill a little boy who had in vain tried to conceal himself? Could you kill a newborn as she slept in her cradle?

I know you won't answer this question, because you can't. You can't say no because that would mean you are willing to disobey God. That you still recognize how wickedly immoral this would be. That just because God told you to doesn't make it okay.
But if the answer is yes. If you sincerely believe that you could take the life of newborn to prove your devotion to God. “F” your religion, “F” your God, and Screw you.

[_brade]

I'd like to pose this question to all of you believe that the Old Testament is inspired.

If God commanded you to kill every man, woman, child, and infant, would you be willing to do it?

Could you kill a child as her mother watched? Could you ignore her tears and her pleas begging for you to spare her child? Could you chase down and kill an adolescent as he desperately tried to flee? Could you kill the elderly even if they were too sick to get out of bed? Could you kill a little boy who had in vain tried to conceal himself? Could you kill a newborn as she slept in her cradle?

I know you won't answer this question, because you can't. You can't say no because that would mean you are willing to disobey God. That you still recognize how wickedly immoral this would be. That just because God told you to doesn't make it okay.
But if the answer is yes. If you sincerely believe that you could take the life of newborn to prove your devotion to God. f*** your religion, f*** your God, and f*** you.

Why go that far? Suppose God commanded you to kill just one person - your own child. Would you do it? Would you do it for no other reason than that God commanded it?



And this response seems appropriate given recent events:

And not scorning the three delightful children who are everything to me and who are my only chance of even a glimpse of a second life, let alone an immortal one, and I'll tell you something. If I was told to sacrifice them to prove my devotion to God, if I was told to do what all monotheists are told to do, and admire the man who said "yes, I'll gut my kid to show my love of God", I'd say, "no, Screw you!".

Also, this is interesting:

When they came to the prescribed place, Abraham built an altar and laid wood upon it. Then, the Bible says, “Abraham … bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.” (Gen. 22:9.) What did Isaac think when Abraham did such a strange thing? The Bible mentions no struggle or objection. Isaac’s silence can only be explained in terms of his trust in and obedience to his father.

Yes, the only plausible explanation for the fact that the Bible mentions no struggle in this case is that there wasn't one. Binding his son was, I'm sure, purely ceremonial.

[_Shulem]

The doctrine of blood atonement is pure evil.

Paul O

[_Hoops]

If God commanded you to kill every man, woman, child, and infant, would you be willing to do it?

What an ignorant question.

Could you kill a child as her mother watched?

No.

Could you ignore her tears and her pleas begging for you to spare her child?

No.

Could you chase down and kill an adolescent as he desperately tried to flee?

Yes.

Could you kill the elderly even if they were too sick to get out of bed?

No.

Could you kill a little boy who had in vain tried to conceal himself?

No.

Could you kill a newborn as she slept in her cradle?

No.

I know you won't answer this question, because you can't.

Just did.

You can't say no because that would mean you are willing to disobey God.

It doesn't mean that at all.

That you still recognize how wickedly immoral this would be.

I do.

That just because God told you to doesn't make it okay.

Actually, yes it does.

But if the answer is yes.

I had one yes.

If you sincerely believe that you could take the life of newborn to prove your devotion to God. f*** your religion, f*** your God, and f*** you.

How pleasent.

[_Franktalk]

I'd like to pose this question to all of you believe that the Old Testament is inspired.

If God commanded you to kill every man, woman, child, and infant, would you be willing to do it?

Could you kill a child as her mother watched? Could you ignore her tears and her pleas begging for you to spare her child? Could you chase down and kill an adolescent as he desperately tried to flee? Could you kill the elderly even if they were too sick to get out of bed? Could you kill a little boy who had in vain tried to conceal himself? Could you kill a newborn as she slept in her cradle?

I know you won't answer this question, because you can't. You can't say no because that would mean you are willing to disobey God. That you still recognize how wickedly immoral this would be. That just because God told you to doesn't make it okay.
But if the answer is yes. If you sincerely believe that you could take the life of newborn to prove your devotion to God. f*** your religion, f*** your God, and f*** you.

You seemed to have boiled down the question nicely. But you have left out some information. If you believe in a soul and if death of the body is required for us to pass on to a greater plane of existence then yes it would make perfect sense to be an instrument of God. The test of Abraham is classic. Abraham knew that God promised Issac many descendants. Yet God told him to kill Issac. By faith in God's ability to resurrect any body that He so chooses Abraham proceeded to sacrifice his son. But of course was stopped. But could God have let Abraham kill Issac and then bring him back to life? I say He could have. But why did God stop Abraham?

If life is but a moment and the big dirt nap is forever then why do atheist have children? Why would anyone participate in a practice of creating a being who will suffer and die for no reason? I find this practice of the nonbeliever to be worse than killing for God. So in the case of the nonbeliever I think their beliefs and their actions don't match.

[_Buffalo]

That just because God told you to doesn't make it okay.

Actually, yes it does.

This is why I said religionists such as yourself have no morality. There is no standard but obedience to Yahweh.

[_Buffalo]

If life is but a moment and the big dirt nap is forever then why do atheist have children? Why would anyone participate in a practice of creating a being who will suffer and die for no reason? I find this practice of the nonbeliever to be worse than killing for God. So in the case of the nonbeliever I think their beliefs and their actions don't match.

Because life is fleeting, it is precious. If life is eternal it has no value - just as if you flooded the market with an infinite amount of diamonds, diamonds would have no value.

[_Franktalk]

Because life is fleeting, it is precious. If life is eternal it has no value - just as if you flooded the market with an infinite amount of diamonds, diamonds would have no value.

So if I had a car that never needed gas it has no value but if I have a car that needs gas after 500 miles then it has great worth. Are you sure you want to stick with that argument? I see the value in life coupled to the purpose of life. Those who do not believe in God and believe in evolution believe that life has no purpose. So I imagine to them that life has a value unto itself. If you believe in evolution where did the value come from? These people who say God is cruel just how do you believe life came to be? If created then it came from a plan. If it gathered from dust then what is the value of that accident? Life has more value when it is coupled with a plan and is seen as a progression. Life in the flesh is part of a much bigger sequence. How can the larger sequence have no value?

If you believe in evolution then you are the most cruel person around. You believe that all life should go out its way to kill all competition so that your set of codes can live and all of the others die. The value of the nonbeliever is based on the death of all of those weaker animals going back billions of years. The piles of dead species so that you could live is the value you speak of. Your value is the value of death. My value is the value of life. Christ died for others so that they could live. The evolutionist want everyone else to die so they can live on by their offspring. Do not give me a moral lecture on life.

[_Chap]

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If you believe in evolution then you are the most cruel person around. You believe that all life should go out its way to kill all competition so that your set of codes can live and all of the others die. ....

This is not very clever of Franktalk. People who believe in a biological theory do not say that things ought to be in a certain way. They just say that it looks as if they are that way.

So, if a belief in evolution involved believing that living things always try to kill all competition (which it does not), that would not imply that anyone who believed in evolution thought that living things ought to do that. It would only imply people who believe in evolution think that this is what living things usually do.

The evolutionist want everyone else to die so they can live on by their offspring. Do not give me a moral lecture on life.

Sure, sure Franktalk, all those scientists want to kill you. Sure they do. It's a scary world, isn't it?

[_SteelHead]

Because life is fleeting, it is precious. If life is eternal it has no value - just as if you flooded the market with an infinite amount of diamonds, diamonds would have no value.

So if I had a car that never needed gas it has no value but if I have a car that needs gas after 500 miles then it has great worth. Are you sure you want to stick with that argument? I see the value in life coupled to the purpose of life. Those who do not believe in God and believe in evolution believe that life has no purpose. So I imagine to them that life has a value unto itself. If you believe in evolution where did the value come from? These people who say God is cruel just how do you believe life came to be? If created then it came from a plan. If it gathered from dust then what is the value of that accident? Life has more value when it is coupled with a plan and is seen as a progression. Life in the flesh is part of a much bigger sequence. How can the larger sequence have no value?

If you believe in evolution then you are the most cruel person around. You believe that all life should go out its way to kill all competition so that your set of codes can live and all of the others die. The value of the nonbeliever is based on the death of all of those weaker animals going back billions of years. The piles of dead species so that you
could live is the value you speak of. Your value is the value of death. My value is the value of life. Christ died for others so that they could live. The evolutionist want everyone else to die so they can live on by their offspring. Do not give me a moral lecture on life.

Bad analogy, it is the gas that is the limited resource, not the car.