Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

Memo to Little Nipper:

I have read the Bible through several times before you began beating me with this dead thread.

I am still a Mormon.

How do you explain that?

Or do you think posting it again chapter by chapter which I scroll over is going to help?

All the Best!

--Consiglieri

It could be that one reads but does not study the Bible. It might be that one has come to accept the notion that the Bible is not inerrant. This is a prevalent concept among Mormons and others who may take exception to whatever the Bible has to say. It maybe a matter of convenience and peer pressure. It is not easy to go against how one was raised. It sometimes happens that some people don't care one way or another, they are content with their own lives they way they are. In any case, God has lead me to believe that there needs to be a "Christian" witness here so that the light might be seen. The Bible is God's Word, and it is the only Scripture that the Apostles were exposed to through both the Old Testament and the teachings of Christ. Christians are encouraged by God to study the scriptures, and that doesn't mean only read it seven , eight, nine, or one hundred times. We must keep seeking God through His Word, and weigh what we are taught by others to what the Bible says.

[_LittleNipper]

6 that they say to him, `Say, I pray thee, Shibboleth;' and he saith, `Sibboleth,' and is not prepared to speak right -- and they seize him, and slaughter him at the passages of the Jordan, and there fall at that time, of Ephraim, forty and two chiefs.

chiefs? CHIEFS?

The KJV says (and all of languages I checked - a dozen):
Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand.

1. YLT is a stupid translation (OK, KJV is more stupid but this is not an excuse for YLT...) --- even You would sacrifice Your life for "YLT is the only, and onlytrue version"; people have fixations, we know.

2. Differentiating -- then killing -- thousands of people by pronunciation, colour of skin/hair/eye, eating/drinking/marrying/clothing customs is racism. Clearly and unambiguously. If your loved god use it -- then spread it in milliards of his books -- then sorry, I don't need this god.

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Would You be so kind to throw on us only the chapters which make sense at all? Then we get shot of You. And vice versa.


To be precise...

I don't de-invite You.
Everybody is welcomed. Every opinion is welcomed.

But not filibustering, I think.

I'm on a thread that you may choose to read or not. My wish is that you will gain insight more clearly in a general presentation. I did not start to post other unassociated literature on someone else's thread. That is filibustering/spamming. As for the chapter in question, my own take is that it was most obvious that the men killed were caught lying. Their accent gave them away. They were in fact exactly who they said they were not and they were trying to escape. THEY wanted to kill this judge for something he didn't say and for reasons they lied about. I must take the entire Bible and not parts. And so we must continue.

[_LeVay]

LaVey,

I'm wondering if you can help out here....we've being worshipping some God fellow for a while now but we just don't get anything in return.
Worse than that, we get punished pretty damn badly with hurricanes, floods, pestilence, famines, disease, all manner of abuses etc AND he demands 10% of our cash.

I used to have the same problem, but it went away when I realized I am my own god. This realization makes no difference concerning natural disasters and such, but it helps to know I'm responsible for my own destiny to the same extent that any other human is responsible for his or her destiny, instead of pretending to depend on an invisible superhero who only exists in our collective imagination.

Can you broker a better deal from You Know Who?

I'm pretty sure You Know Who can guarantee you an instant 10% raise.

[_consiglieri]

It could be that one reads but does not study the Bible.

I have studied the Bible more than you.

It might be that one has come to accept the notion that the Bible is not inerrant.

The reason I know I have studied the Bible more than you is because I recognize the Bible is loaded with errors.

It is not easy to go against how one was raised.

I was not raised Mormon. How were you raised?

The Bible is God's Word, and it is the only Scripture that the Apostles were exposed to through both the Old Testament and the teachings of Christ.

Paul's writings give no evidence he was exposed to any of the four Gospels.

We must keep seeking God through His Word, and weigh what we are taught by others to what the Bible says.

Why should the Bible take priority, do you think?

Is it because of how you were raised?

[_LittleNipper]

It could be that one reads but does not study the Bible.

I have studied the Bible more than you.

It might be that one has come to accept the notion that the Bible is not inerrant.

The reason I know I have studied the Bible more than you is because I recognize the Bible is loaded with errors.

It is not easy to go against how one was raised.

I was not raised Mormon. How were you raised?

The Bible is God's Word, and it is the only Scripture that the Apostles were exposed to through both the Old Testament and the teachings of Christ.

Paul's writings give no evidence he was exposed to any of the four Gospels.

We must keep seeking God through His Word, and weigh what we are taught by others to what the Bible says.

Why should the Bible take priority, do you think?

Is it because of how you were raised?

What errors? That the earth was not created in 6 literal days? That the Flood never happened? That bats are not birds? That insects have six and not four legs? You're being manipulated to accept men's view of science according to man's parameters, and not from the Lord's perspective. Paul's writings give evidence that he was exposed to the Savior. I was christened Roman Catholic, however, my dad found the Savior in a Bible Study. I became saved at age 12 one Friday night at a youth group. I've been in a fistfight with God ever since ---- thank God, He always wins. The Old Testament is what Christ came to fulfill. It is His story --- Creation to His promise of His incarnation. The New Testament is Christ's birth through His fulfillment accomplished. It is FINISHED. What will be is absolute.

[_ludwigm]

There are people beyond recovery.

[_Gunnar]

What errors? That the earth was not created in 6 literal days? That the Flood never happened? That bats are not birds? That insects have six and not four legs? You're being manipulated to accept men's view of science according to man's parameters, and not from the Lord's perspective. Paul's writings give evidence that he was exposed to the Savior. I was christened Roman Catholic, however, my dad found the Savior in a Bible Study. I became saved at age 12 one Friday night at a youth group. I've been in a fistfight with God ever since ---- thank God, He always wins. The Old Testament is what Christ came to fulfill. It is His story --- Creation to His promise of His incarnation. The New Testament is Christ's birth through His fulfillment accomplished. It is FINISHED. What will be is absolute.

Like it or not, the choice Is not really between man's perspective and the Lord's perspective. There is absolutely no rational basis or compelling justification for concluding that there is any perspective available to us that is not of men, despite the self-serving claims of would-be prophets and gurus, whether past or present.

If, for example, God really agrees with the Biblical statement that insects have four rather than six legs, then he is simply wrong, and so is the Bible. There are no ifs ands or buts about it!

[_Bazooka]

What errors? That the earth was not created in 6 literal days? That the Flood never happened? That bats are not birds? That insects have six and not four legs? You're being manipulated to accept men's view of science according to man's parameters, and not from the Lord's perspective. Paul's writings give evidence that he was exposed to the Savior. I was christened Roman Catholic, however, my dad found the Savior in a Bible Study. I became saved at age 12 one Friday night at a youth group. I've been in a fistfight with God ever since ---- thank God, He always wins. The Old Testament is what Christ came to fulfill. It is His story --- Creation to His promise of His incarnation. The New Testament is Christ's birth through His fulfillment accomplished. It is FINISHED. What will be is absolute.

...and you've been placing your trust in hearsay ever since.

Say Jenn Kamp Rowling lost part of one of the original manuscripts to a Harry Potter book.
It lies undiscovered for a few thousand years, during which humanity changes.
When one day this manuscript is discovered by archeologists and translated in New American, a few people postulate that wizards roamed the earth during the early part of the second AD Millennium. When challenged about their belief they point to the fact that God has witnessed to them that it is true and after all, historical documentation shows that Kings Cross Station was an actual place.

How does the belief of the future Potterites differ in validity from your Christian belief of today?

[Guest]

There are people beyond recovery.

Regretfully, hell is full of them.

[Guest]

What errors? That the earth was not created in 6 literal days? That the Flood never happened? That bats are not birds? That insects have six and not four legs? You're being manipulated to accept men's view of science according to man's parameters, and not from the Lord's perspective. Paul's writings give evidence that he was exposed to the Savior. I was christened Roman Catholic, however, my dad found the Savior in a Bible Study. I became saved at age 12 one Friday night at a youth group. I've been in a fistfight with God ever since ---- thank God, He always wins. The Old Testament is what Christ came to fulfill. It is His story --- Creation to His promise of His incarnation. The New Testament is Christ's birth through His fulfillment accomplished. It is FINISHED. What will be is absolute.

Like it or not, the choice Is not really between man's perspective and the Lord's perspective. There is absolutely no rational basis or compelling justification for concluding that there is any perspective available to us that is not of men, despite the self-serving claims of would-be prophets and gurus, whether past or present.

If, for example, God really agrees with the Biblical statement that insects have four rather than six legs, then he is simply wrong, and so is the Bible. There are no ifs ands or buts about it!

Do we see ourselves as possessing 4 legs? I am sure that God and the insects involved see both arms and legs; unfortunately, humans assuming charge of science established their own labels... Such have placed their determinations above that of GOD's.