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[Gunnar]

But let's acknowledge that both Jews and Palestinians have been known to hatefully persecute, demonize and even kill each other in the past and present. Since both groups are semitic, both have, from time to time, been guilty of antisemitic bigotry and violence. Both groups, as well as the world in general, would benefit far more from them getting together and celebrating what they have in common and peacefully respecting the differences between them. There are mixed groups of Jews and Palestinians who are already doing that and becoming great friends to each other. There needs to be a lot more of that going on--especially in the Middle East!

AMEN!!

Thanks, Jersey Girl!

by the way, have you read my last PM to you yet?

[Jersey Girl]

AMEN!!

Thanks, Jersey Girl!

by the way, have you read my last PM to you yet?

I did. I just haven't replied. Please stand by!

[Markk]

Cake: Correct. Deciding to attack someone on the premise that their Star of David has ‘provoked’ you (the royal ‘you’, not you specifically, Markk) is more indicative of other issues: immaturity, unable to control one’s emotions, inability to be responsible for one’s own actions, poor reasoning skills, revenge issues, general stupidity, irrational fear of hexagrams, being an antisocial arse, etc.

To flip it to the other end of the spectrum: If I felt the need to punch someone because they were sporting a swastika on their shirt, I wouldn’t be doing so out of racism.

Your stating reasons for "your" (royal) antisemitism, does not erase the fact that is was antisemitism. And by the way you forgot hate for Jews and Israel as another reason.

And comparing your hate for Nazism with Jews is not a good look. Nazism is not a nationality, compared to being a Jew. Nazism was a political part, not a ethnic people.

cakes: Have you actually not heard this phrase before, nor realize what it refers to?

Not in the context you wrote.

cakes:I don’t know where you’re deriving that from. Explain.

No you need to explain why you are tying the video to nazism.

Cakes: But, if you’re wanting to discuss bigotry, is it either bigoted or racist to tell residents of an area that they have to leave because God gave to you the land that they’re living on?

This is where you start changing the subject?

How many Palestinians live is Israel, last time I looked the share the Temple area with Muslims. Could it be they are going after groups that want them dead, and that attack them and rocket them?

This is where I ask you, what is the solution for greater Israel? Do you like the collage protesters support from the River to the Sea? What should Israel have done about the attack on their people, and hostages held?

[Markk]

Ok, I found your arguments on this persuasive. That student's wearing of a Star of David should not have been regarded as any more offensive than a Muslim woman wearing a hijab whenever she is out in public. And I realized from the start that the real offence was the attempt of the Palestinian protesters to prohibit the Jewish student from entering the campus merely because he was wearing that Star of David.

Actually neither are offensive. There is not if or buts....

The protesters were displaying in the video their antisemitic view, clearly. You need to just admit that and move on.

[Markk]

But let's acknowledge that both Jews and Palestinians have been known to hatefully persecute, demonize and even kill each other in the past and present. Since both groups are semitic, both have, from time to time, been guilty of antisemitic bigotry and violence. Both groups, as well as the world in general, would benefit far more from them getting together and celebrating what they have in common and peacefully respecting the differences between them. There are mixed groups of Jews and Palestinians who are already doing that and becoming great friends to each other. There needs to be a lot more of that going on--especially in the Middle East!

How about stopping and removing Hamas and other hate groups who want the eradication of the State of Israel.

We need to have a discussion, you and I, about how Israel is going after Hamas and how Hamas is using innocent Palestinians as shields. There is so much more to what is actually going on there that no one is talking about.

Golda Meir said something like " Until these hate groups love their children more than they hate the Jews, there will never be peace."

Gotta run, more latter.

[Bret Ripley]

This serves to demonstrate Chap's point about the inefficiency of using videos to convey a point. This 5 minute video can be summarized as 'masked pro-Palestinian protestors block Jewish UCLA student from attending class.' You can learn from watching a 5 minute video, sure, but you could have learned a whole lot more in that 5 minutes by reading (e.g. https://apnews.com/article/ucla-protest ... a8f0861431).

Methods of learning are subjective....and pitting videos vs reading is just silly. There is a place for both. I can give you countless examples of how they compliment each other.

I don't disagree that video and the written word can both be beneficial, but that is beside the point (we were talking about communicating efficiently). Your 'great example' was a 5-minute video that was considerably less efficient in conveying its message than a brief written synopsis would have been. For folks who are pressed for time, asking them to watch a 5-minute video that conveys information that could be written in 20 seconds is not an effective way to express your thoughts. HTH.

[canpakes]

Cake: Correct. Deciding to attack someone on the premise that their Star of David has ‘provoked’ you (the royal ‘you’, not you specifically, Markk) is more indicative of other issues: immaturity, unable to control one’s emotions, inability to be responsible for one’s own actions, poor reasoning skills, revenge issues, general stupidity, irrational fear of hexagrams, being an antisocial arse, etc.

To flip it to the other end of the spectrum: If I felt the need to punch someone because they were sporting a swastika on their shirt, I wouldn’t be doing so out of racism.

Your stating reasons for "your" (royal) antisemitism, does not erase the fact that is was antisemitism. And by the way you forgot hate for Jews and Israel as another reason.

You asked about the reaction being racist, not antisemitic. There’s a difference. Why are you changing lanes again?

And comparing your hate for Nazism with Jews is not a good look. Nazism is not a nationality, compared to being a Jew. Nazism was a political part, not a ethnic people.

I’m comparing how some rationalizations or kinds of equivocation don’t quite work. I don’t see a problem with pointing that out. Can you explain what is bothering you about that?

Have you actually not heard this phrase before, nor realize what it refers to?

Not in the context you wrote.

OK.

I don’t know where you’re deriving that from. Explain.

No you need to explain why you are tying the video to nazism.

Your previous comment didn’t make any sense. This one makes less sense. I’m not sure where you’re getting any of that from.

But, if you’re wanting to discuss bigotry, is it either bigoted or racist to tell residents of an area that they have to leave because God gave to you the land that they’re living on?

This is where you start changing the subject?

If I had a shekel for all of the times that you’ve changed subject or focus in a thread, I’d be pretty wealthy. You’ve even tried to do it in this same response above.

My question stands. Is it either bigoted or racist to tell residents of an area that they have to leave because God gave to (you) the land that they’re living on?

As you mentioned racism and bigotry, would you like to answer that question, or dodge it? There’s no penalty for dodging it, but there will likely be an obvious reason why you might.

How many Palestinians live is Israel, last time I looked the share the Temple area with Muslims. Could it be they are going after groups that want them dead, and that attack them and rocket them?

This is where you change the subject.

This is where I ask you, what is the solution for greater Israel? Do you like the collage protesters support from the River to the Sea? What should Israel have done about the attack on their people, and hostages held?

This looks like another change of subject. No problem, though.

1. I don’t know why people would protest collage as it’s a perfectly acceptable art/craft pursuit. I support collage from the river to the sea. : )
2. Israel has every right to defend itself and its territory from attack. Defending itself does not necessarily include responding in a way that kills tens of thousands of women, children and non-combatants, or attempts to permanently remove them from Palestinian Territories and boot them elsewhere if not successfully killed, and then taking that territory to build resorts.

[Markk]

Bret Ripley: I don't disagree that video and the written word can both be beneficial, but that is beside the point (we were talking about communicating efficiently). Your 'great example' was a 5-minute video that was considerably less efficient in conveying its message than a brief written synopsis would have been. For folks who are pressed for time, asking them to watch a 5-minute video that conveys information that could be written in 20 seconds is not an effective way to express your thoughts. HTH.

Well, I was addressing, which you were defending, Chap writing "But videos are about the most inefficient method of passing on information known to man."

And, if people only have 5 minutes, let alone 20 seconds, to review and understand such a serious topic, I would suggest they probably aren't interested in really understanding the issues.

[Markk]

Cakes: You asked about the reaction being racist, not antisemitic. There’s a difference. Why are you changing lanes again?

Lol, If you are that shallow to not understand that hating Jews, because they are Jews, is racist antisemitism, then fine. I will add this to the list.

cakes: I’m comparing how some rationalizations or kinds of equivocation don’t quite work. I don’t see a problem with pointing that out. Can you explain what is bothering you about that?

I am not bothered at all, I am pointing out that Nazism was a political party, while antisemitism, towards Jews, is a form of hate and racism. For kicks, I asked A.I. the question. "what is racism towards Jews called" and it wrote...." Racism towards Jewish people is called antisemitism. The word "antisemitism" was coined in the late 19th century as a more "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass, or "Jew-hatred".

So if you need to find a way out of our conversation by trying to split hairs, again fine.

[Bret Ripley]

Bret Ripley: I don't disagree that video and the written word can both be beneficial, but that is beside the point (we were talking about communicating efficiently). Your 'great example' was a 5-minute video that was considerably less efficient in conveying its message than a brief written synopsis would have been. For folks who are pressed for time, asking them to watch a 5-minute video that conveys information that could be written in 20 seconds is not an effective way to express your thoughts. HTH.

Well, I was addressing, which you were defending, Chap writing " But videos are about the most inefficient method of passing on information known to man."

And, if people only have 5 minutes, let alone 20 seconds, to review and understand such a serious topic, I would suggest they probably aren't interested in really understanding the issues.

Likewise, if you are unwilling to spend 20 seconds to make your point then perhaps you don't consider the topic all that important. Sauce, goose, gander. <Shrug>