Bible verse by verse

[_LittleNipper]

What it comes down to is faith. Ruth may have been from the land of Moab; however, she had come to love the Lord. She was of seemingly better character than many of the Israelites. Man looks on the outward appearances but the LORD looks on the heart.

[_LeVay]

You haven't read many of LittleNipper's posts, have you?

You haven't read my comment above, have You?

I finished your post concerning the pejorative nature of the term "Moabite" and it's true context within the book of Ruth. You're right, it was indeed very interesting. I had no idea it was the Biblical equivalent of the N-word.

Sorry about not finishing it sooner...my weekly Satanic Fertility Orgy tends to leave me rather drained.

[_LeVay]

What it comes down to is faith. Ruth may have been from the land of Moab; however, she had come to love the Lord. She was of seemingly better character than many of the Israelites. Man looks on the outward appearances but the LORD looks on the heart.

As usual, LittleNipper is interested in no one's opinion but his own.

LittleNipper, if I thought you could behave yourself I'd invite you to our weekly Satanic Fertility Orgy.

[_Bret Ripley]

Jabberwocky by Lewis Carroll
'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves

Jabberwocky is the only poem I ever successfully memorized. At one point I had Prufrock mostly memorized, but I kept tripping up over one bit and ended up with: "I have seen the eternal coatman hold my foot, and snicker." It kind of broke the mood.

[_LeVay]

Two decades ago my Sunday school teacher made me memorize a stanza from The Rape of Lucrece...

What win I if I gain the thing I seek?
A dream, a breath, a froth of fleeting joy?
Who buys a minute's mirth to wail a week,
or sells eternity to get a toy?
For one sweet grape, who would the vine destroy?
Or what fond beggar, but to touch the golden crown
would with the scepter straight be stricken down?

Probably not word perfect, but still pretty close.

[_LittleNipper]

1 Samuel 1:1-28 Elkanah was a man of the tribe of Ephraim who lived in Ramathaim-zophim, in the hills of Ephraim. His father’s name was Jeroham, grandfather was Elihu, great-grandfather was Tohu, and his great-great-grandfather was Zuph. He had two wives, Hannah and Peninnah. Peninnah had some children, but Hannah didn’t.

Each year Elkanah and his families journeyed to the Tabernacle at Shiloh to worship the Lord of the heavens and to sacrifice to him. (The priests on duty at that time were the two sons of Eli—Hophni and Phinehas.) On the day he presented his sacrifice, Elkanah would celebrate the happy occasion by giving presents to Peninnah and her children; but although he loved Hannah very much, he could give her only one present, for Hannah was childless. Peninnah made matters worse by taunting Hannah because of her barrenness. Every year it was the same—Peninnah scoffing and laughing at her as they went to Shiloh, making her cry so much she couldn’t eat. “What’s the matter, Hannah?” Elkanah would exclaim. “Why aren’t you eating? Why make such a fuss over having no children? Isn’t having me better than having ten sons?”

One evening after supper, when they were at Shiloh, Hannah went over to the Tabernacle. Eli the priest was sitting at his customary place beside the entrance. She was deeply upset and crying bitterly as she prayed to the Lord. Hanna made this vow: “O Lord of heaven, if you will look down upon my sorrow and answer my prayer and give me a son, then I will give him back to you, and he’ll be yours for his entire lifetime, and his hair shall never be cut.” Eli noticed her mouth moving as she was praying silently and, hearing no sound, thought she was drunk.

“Must you come here drunk?” he demanded. Hanna replied, that she was not drunk! She was sadly pouring out her heart to the Lord. “In that case,” Eli said, “cheer up! May the Lord of Israel grant you your petition, whatever it is!” “Oh, thank you, sir!” she exclaimed, and went happily back, and began to take her meals again.

The entire family was up early the next morning and went to the Tabernacle to worship the Lord once more. Then they returned home to Ramah, and when Elkanah slept with Hannah, the Lord remembered her prayer; and after nine months a baby boy was born to her. She named him Samuel (meaning “asked of God”) because, as she said, “I asked the Lord for him.”

The next year Elkanah and Peninnah and her children went on the annual trip to the Tabernacle without Hannah, for she told her husband, “Wait until the baby is weaned, and then I will take him to the Tabernacle and leave him there.” Elkanah agreed. “May the Lord’s will be done.”

So she stayed home until the baby was weaned. Then, though he was still so small, they took him to the Tabernacle in Shiloh, along with a three-year-old bull for the sacrifice, and a bushel of flour and some wine. After the sacrifice they took the child to Eli. Hannah asked Eli if he remembered her --- the woman who came praying to the Lord. She told Eli that she asked asked God for this child. Now she is giving him to the Lord for his entire life as she vowed. So she left him there at the Tabernacle for God to use.


Young's Literal Translation (YLT)


1 And there is a certain man of Ramathaim-Zophim, of the hill-country of Ephraim, and his name [is] Elkanah, son of Jeroham, son of Elihu, son of Tohu, son of Zuph, and Ephrathite,

2 and he hath two wives, the name of the one [is] Hannah, and the name of the second Peninnah, and Peninnah hath children, and Hannah hath no children.

3 And that man hath gone up out of his city from time to time, to bow himself, and to sacrifice, before Jehovah of Hosts, in Shiloh, and there [are] two sons of Eli, Hophni and Phinehas, priests to Jehovah.

4 And the day cometh, and Elkanah sacrificeth, and he hath given to Peninnah his wife, and to all her sons and her daughters, portions,

5 and to Hannah he giveth a certain portion -- double, for he hath loved Hannah, and Jehovah hath shut her womb;

6 and her adversity hath also provoked her greatly, so as to make her tremble, for Jehovah hath shut up her womb.

7 And so he doth year by year, from the time of her going up into the house of Jehovah, so it provoketh her, and she weepeth, and doth not eat.

8 And Elkanah her husband saith to her, `Hannah, why weepest thou? and why dost thou not eat? and why is thy heart afflicted? am I not better to thee than ten sons?'

9 And Hannah riseth after eating in Shiloh, and after drinking, and Eli the priest is sitting on the throne by the side-post of the temple of Jehovah.

10 And she is bitter in soul, and prayeth unto Jehovah, and weepeth greatly,

11 and voweth a vow, and saith, `Jehovah of Hosts, if Thou dost certainly look on the affliction of Thy handmaid, and hast remembered me, and dost not forget Thy handmaid, and hast given to Thy handmaid seed of men -- then I have given him to Jehovah all days of his life, and a razor doth not go up upon his head.'

12 And it hath been, when she multiplied praying before Jehovah, that Eli is watching her mouth,

13 and Hannah, she is speaking to her heart, only her lips are moving, and her voice is not heard, and Eli reckoneth her to be drunken.

14 And Eli saith unto her, `Until when are thou drunken? turn aside thy wine from thee.'

15 And Hannah answereth and saith, `No, my lord, A woman sharply pained in spirit I [am], and wine and strong drink I have not drunk, and I pour out my soul before Jehovah;

16 put not thy handmaid before a daughter of worthlessness, for from the abundance of my meditation, and of my provocation, I have spoken hitherto.'

17 And Eli answereth and saith, `Go in peace, and the God of Israel doth give thy petition which thou hast asked of Him.'

18 And she saith, `Let thy handmaid find grace in thine eyes;' and the woman goeth on her way, and eateth, and her countenance hath not been [sad] for it any more.

19 And they rise early in the morning, and bow themselves before Jehovah, and turn back, and come in unto their house in Ramah, and Elkanah knoweth Hannah his wife, and Jehovah remembereth her;

20 and it cometh to pass, at the revolution of the days, that Hannah conceiveth, and beareth a son, and calleth his name Samuel, `for, from Jehovah I have asked him.'

21 And the man Elkanah goeth up, and all his house, to sacrifice to Jehovah the sacrifice of the days, and his vow.

22 And Hannah hath not gone up, for she said to her husband, `Till the youth is weaned -- then I have brought him in, and he hath appeared before the face of Jehovah, and dwelt there -- unto the age.'

23 And Elkanah her husband saith to her, `Do that which is good in thine eyes; abide till thy weaning him; only, Jehovah establish His word;' and the woman abideth and suckleth her son till she hath weaned him,

24 and she causeth him to go up with her when she hath weaned him, with three bullocks, and one ephah of flour, and a bottle of wine, and she bringeth him into the house of Jehovah at Shiloh, and the youth [is but] a youth.

25 And they slaughter the bullock, and bring in the youth unto Eli,

26 and she saith, `O, my lord, thy soul liveth! my lord, I [am] the woman who stood with thee in this [place], to pray unto Jehovah;

27 for this youth I prayed, and Jehovah doth give to me my petition which I asked of Him;

28 and also I have caused him to be asked for Jehovah, all the days that he hath lived -- he is asked for Jehovah;' and he boweth himself there before Jehovah.

[_Bazooka]

And you seem to be choosing to go to hell. God is not sending you there.

How am I choosing hell?

I repeat, how am I choosing hell?
(Other than repeatedly viewing this thread)

[_LittleNipper]

How am I choosing hell?

I repeat, how am I choosing hell?
(Other than repeatedly viewing this thread)

You consistently hold God accountable for all the misfortunes man brings upon himself. You declare God immoral. You joke about things that are very serious. You obviously seem to be wanting no part of God ------------- so, exactly how is that choosing heaven?

[_Bazooka]

You consistently hold God accountable for all the misfortunes man brings upon himself.

No, I hold God accountable for the actions people like you say He does or doesn't take. You want to excuse God from any and all accountability for His actions in a 'blame the victim' kind of way. I bet you think a woman who gets raped should be blamed because she wore a short skirt, got drunk and so she brought it on herself, right?

You declare God immoral.

I'd like you to show specific evidence from the Bible as to what exactly God's morals are.

You joke about things that are very serious.

No. I joke about things I feel are humorous, just because you think they are serious doesn't mean they are serious to anyone but you.

You obviously seem to be wanting no part of God

How can I want to be part of a God that we know nothing about except a few contradictory myth's and legends from anonymous iron age individuals who had their own agenda's to pursue? If God wants me to want a part of Him, He knows how to get in touch.

------------- so, exactly how is that choosing heaven?

You claimed I was choosing hell, not that I was not choosing heaven.
But, feel free to shift your claims once again.
Please tell me what heaven consists of so that I can make an informed choice about wether I want to choose it or not.....

[_ludwigm]

...
Please tell me what heaven consists of so that I can make an informed choice about wether I want to choose it or not.....

In man's heaven everybody sings! The man who did not sing on earth sings there; the man who could not sing on earth is able to do it there. The universal singing is not casual, not occasional, not relieved by intervals of quiet; it goes on, all day long, and every day, during a stretch of twelve hours. And everybody stays; whereas in the earth the place would be empty in two hours. The singing is of hymns alone. Nay, it is of one hymn alone. The words are always the same, in number they are only about a dozen, there is no rhyme, there is no poetry: "Hosannah, hosannah, hosannah, Lord God of Sabaoth, 'rah! 'rah! 'rah! siss! -- boom! ... a-a-ah!"

Meantime, every person is playing on a harp -- those millions and millions! -- whereas not more than twenty in the thousand of them could play an instrument in the earth, or ever wanted to.

Consider the deafening hurricane of sound -- millions and millions of voices screaming at once and millions and millions of harps gritting their teeth at the same time! I ask you: is it hideous, is it odious, is it horrible?

Consider further: it is a praise service; a service of compliment, of flattery, of adulation! Do you ask who it is that is willing to endure this strange compliment, this insane compliment; and who not only endures it, but likes it, enjoys it, requires if, commands it? Hold your breath!

It is God! This race's god, I mean. He sits on his throne, attended by his four and twenty elders and some other dignitaries pertaining to his court, and looks out over his miles and miles of tempestuous worshipers, and smiles, and purrs, and nods his satisfaction northward, eastward, southward; as quaint and nave a spectacle as has yet been imagined in this universe, I take it.

http://www.classicreader.com/book/1930/3/
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