Shulem Cracked the Book of Mormon Code, the Land of Nephi is now revealed! See for yourself! The Golden Key!

[Shulem]

If YOU are using modern day maps in order to locate and attempt to trace and match the geography as outlined and described in the Book of Mormon, then YOU are never, ever, going to make heads or tails of what Joseph Smith was envisioning. YOU MUST USE THE MAPS HE WOULD HAVE USED!!

If YOU are attempting to find the land of Zarahemla and other import locations of the Book of Mormon by using ruins or archeological evidence to support your theory, then YOU will never, ever find the the Book of Mormon lands Smith envisioned while looking at his map.

If YOU listen to Shulem, here on Discuss Mormonism, then you will surely come to terms with where the Book of Mormon took place in Joseph Smith's imagination. That is the KEY to coming to terms with what was, is, and always will be.

Amen.

(And may God bless Philo too!)

[Philo Sofee]

Shulem
(And may God bless Philo too!)

Aw shucks.

[Shulem]

Here is a demonstration to show that the land of Nephi (Delmarva tail) is long and narrow, albeit there are many rivers that cut this way and that way so traversing the land was arduous and travelers could get lost as this happened several times by various expeditions and armies.

Think of the land of Nephi as long and narrow:

• Alma became an enemy to king Noah and fled Shilom to the waters of Mormon to hide himself from the searches of the king.
• Place called Mormon at the borders of the land – infested at times and seasons by wild beasts
• Alma hides in a small thicket of trees near a fountain of pure water in the waters of Mormon

Time to pack your bags and head out! All roads lead due north:

"NOW Alma, having been warned of the Lord that the armies of king Noah would come upon them, and having made it known to his people, therefore they gathered together their flocks, and took of their grain, and departed into the wilderness before the armies of king Noah."

• Alma and his church gather their flocks & grain and fled into the wilderness
• Alma fled for 8 days into the wilderness
• Came to a beautiful pleasant land – a land of pure water
• The church of Alma pitched tents and built buildings
• Alma’s people prosper in the land of Helam and build the city of Helam
• Lamanites discover the land of Helam
• Lamanite army approaches the land and the people in the fields retreated to the city
• Alma shows Lamanites the way that leads into the land of Nephi
• Lamanites set guards around the city of Helam
• Amulon and the wicked priests take up permanent quarters in Helam – Amulon is appointed king in Helam by the authority of the Lamanites

"AND it came to pass that Amulon did gain favor in the eyes of the king of the Lamanites; therefore, the king of the Lamanites granted unto him and his brethren that they should be appointed teachers over his people, yea, even over the people who were in the land of Shemlon, and in the land of Shilom, and in the land of Amulon. For the Lamanites had taken possession of all these lands; therefore, the king of the Lamanites had appointed kings over all these lands."

"And now the Lord said unto Alma: Haste thee and get thou and this people out of this land"

• Alma’s people gather their flocks and grain all night long
• Lamanites fall under a sleep spell while Alma’s people flee into the wilderness
• Alma’s people travel for an entire day and pitch their tents in a valley they called Alma
• Alma’s people can’t stay long because the Lord warned them to make haste and flee from the Lamanites
• The people depart the valley and journey into the wilderness for 12 days and arrive at Zarahemla

(The trip from Helam to Zarahemla took 13 days)

Alma is now safely in Zarahemla being separated by the land of Nephi via the Sidon River and the long narrow strip of wilderness on the east side that leads down into the tail of Delmarva.

NOW NOTICE A CHANGE IN THE LANGUAGE WHEREBY THE LAND IS NO LONGER NARROW BUT WIDE:

And there began to be much peace again in the land; and the people began to be very numerous, and began to scatter abroad upon the face of the earth, yea, on the north and on the south, on the east and on the west, building large cities and villages in all quarters of the land.

Alma is no longer in the tail of the peninsula but has gone down into the main body of land which is the peninsula proper or the land of Zarahemla that adjoins northern Bountiful that leads into the narrow neck northward and into the continent.

[huckelberry]

"gone down into the main body of the land"
are you meaning gone north or gone south?
I may have gotten lost. I believe you previously observed that the Nephites had the northern portion of the penninsula keeping the Lamenites hemmed in in the south. That could well not be a permanent arrangement.

I bit back I followed a reference spot in the Book of Mormon and I thought I understood Bountiful to be north of the narrow spot so that area around it opened up into the main content.

You know, wilderness wherer all the bones were, remenicent of the reports early colonists made of Indian villages decimated by imported disease leaving bones.

[Shulem]

"gone down into the main body of the land"
are you meaning gone north or gone south?
I may have gotten lost. I believe you previously observed that the Nephites had the northern portion of the penninsula keeping the Lamenites hemmed in in the south. That could well not be a permanent arrangement.

I bit back I followed a reference spot in the Book of Mormon and I thought I understood Bountiful to be north of the narrow spot so that area around it opened up into the main content.

You know, wilderness wherer all the bones were, remenicent of the reports early colonists made of Indian villages decimated by imported disease leaving bones.

Gone down into the main body of the land is a terminology that I believe Smith adopted due to the nature of the tail as it relates to the rest of the land northward. Yeah, I know, it seems a bit of a contradiction and a sticky point but that's how I see it. The tail south is the land of Nephi. Everything and all roads from there go northward.

It's very possible also that Smith may have alluded to elevation as part of the "up" and "down" with regards to the land of Nephi and how it relates to the rest of the peninsula but the map doesn't give indication of elevation so either Smith interpreted the elevation that way at the southern tip of the peninsula or he invented that aspect to reflect elevation. But the bottom line is that the tip was the birth place or cradle in which Lehi landed and there was nowhere else to go but northward -- ever onward and it was termed "down" in the text. But that terminology is debatable for reasons stated earlier.

[Shulem]

You know, wilderness wherer all the bones were, remenicent of the reports early colonists made of Indian villages decimated by imported disease leaving bones.

I'm not familiar with reports from colonist about Indian bones. Where were those bones located and who discovered them.

[Shulem]

If you are correct that the Book of Mormon clearly indicates arrival at the south end of the land and no travel south then that is very telling evidence for your theory.

I told myself that I wasn't going to post any pics of apologetic models and really don't have any desire to trash them in this thread but I felt compelled to let you know by showing you that many apologists know that there is nothing southward of Lehi's landing mentioned in the entire record of the Book of Mormon. I have spent very little time studying apologetic material over the years. I avoid it like the plague because it's so, so, wrong -- it's Mormon pornography. They are basing everything on the idea that the Book of Mormon is historical and that in order to locate the land Smith envisioned you will assuredly find archeological evidence. Hence, the apologists are DOA in everything they do because their basic premise is not just faulty but utterly wrong.

Lehi's landing is the southern most place. Nothing is said about anything to the south of that! Here are some samples (examples) that demonstrate that fact.

Look at these dirty pics:


NOTHING SOUTH OF THE LAND OF NEPHI



NOTHING SOUTH OF THE LAND OF NEPHI



NOTHING SOUTH OF THE LAND OF NEPHI

Notice that apologetic models leave it open ended as if there is land southward. But what gives them the right to do that when there is nothing in the Book of Mormon to justify that? Basically, the text says they were nearly surrounded by water and that except for the narrow neck leading north! So anything south of the land of Nephi must therefore be OCEAN or the Sea South.

But, apologists (Mesoamericans) can't do that or it destroys all their hopes in trying to figure out the so-called true geography that must be backed by archeology. They cling to Mexico for dear life. But Mexico is DOA. Smith never imagined it.

[huckelberry]

You know, wilderness wherer all the bones were, remenicent of the reports early colonists made of Indian villages decimated by imported disease leaving bones.

I'm not familiar with reports from colonist about Indian bones. Where were those bones located and who discovered them.

https://historicipswich.org/2021/04/21/the-great-dying/

The 1854 book “Indian Narratives,” by Henry Trumbull, Susannah Willard and Zadock Steele states,
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this particular source is later than Book of Mormon but I see no reason to think the matter unknown earlier. It was local after all.

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Looking a bit further I find reference to earlier source:


n 1616, a terrible plaque swept the Massachusetts coast, wreaking the most devastation north of Boston. It’s not clear what it was – perhaps smallpox, perhaps yellow fever, perhaps bubonic plague.

Whatever it was, it was terrifying. So much of the Indian population died there weren’t enough left to bury the dead. English colonist Thomas Morton described the heaps of dead Indians ‘a new found Golgotha.’

As many as 90 percent of the 4,500 Indians of the Massachusetts tribe perished. The disease cleared the Boston Harbor islands of inhabitants.
indian-population-john-smith

“Three years before the arrival of the Plymouth colony a very mortal sickness supposed to have been the plague or perhaps the yellow fever raged with great violence among the Indians in the eastern parts of New England. Whole towns were depopulated. The living were not able to bury the dead and their bones were found lying above ground many years after. The Massachusetts Indians are said to have been reduced from thirty thousand to three hundred fighting men.”
Agawam Native American village in Ipswich"

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[Shulem]

https://historicipswich.org/2021/04/21/the-great-dying/

The 1854 book “Indian Narratives,” by Henry Trumbull, Susannah Willard and Zadock Steele states,

“Three years before the arrival of the Plymouth colony a very mortal sickness supposed to have been the plague or perhaps the yellow fever raged with great violence among the Indians in the eastern parts of New England. Whole towns were depopulated. The living were not able to bury the dead and their bones were found lying above ground many years after. The Massachusetts Indians are said to have been reduced from thirty thousand to three hundred fighting men.”
Agawam Native American village in Ipswich"

this particular source is later than Book of Mormon but I see no reason to think the matter unknown earlier. It was local after all.

That ties it and fits well with what I said earlier in the thread about Smith's prophecy that God would take it out on the Indians when the Gentiles arrive. It may very well be that Smith was aware of Plymouth colony and how after new settlers arrived the Indians were dying off. God was killing them because they were wicked Lamanites.

See here:

And it came to pass that the angel said unto me: Behold the wrath of God is upon the seed of thy brethren.

And it came to pass that I beheld many multitudes of the Gentiles upon the land of promise; and I beheld the wrath of God, that it was upon the seed of my brethren; and they were scattered before the Gentiles and were smitten.

[huckelberry]

following google a further reference

"The Pilgrim leader William Bradford was already aware of the death toll from “Indean fever.” His scouts had ventured inland and noted “sculs and bones were found in many places lying still above ground, where their houses and dwellings had been; a very sad spectackle to behould.” It’s estimated as many as nine out of 10 coastal Indians were killed in the epidemic between 1616 and 1619.

https://slate.com/technology/2012/11/le ... sease.html
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this is an article about the likely disease, spread by rat urine. It is more about the disease than reports by early colonists. I find that these events seem to be in the Book of Mormon authors imagination, finding ways into the book.