Not to get overly involved with apologetic discussions.
I think I'll just post Jwhitlock's recent comment about "anti-Mormons."
Feel free to substitute TBM whenever appropriate.
I think that [James] White has the ability simply to dismiss evidence that disagrees with his preconceived notions. It seems to be a very common trait that virtually all anti-Mormons develop. It becomes second nature to them. --Jwhitlock (MADB) Feb 1 2008
I have bigger projects in the works than battering my head against Charity's immovable brick wall.
First: Bob McCue is no friend of mine. Second: FAIR's antics are inexcusable. Did he deserve the personal attention, Charity? Stop projecting.
I think I posted earlier that his private life only becomes important if he uses his private life in ways to discredit the Church. If he brings something into the discussion, it can be used on "cross examination" if you will. Sort of like the Reverend Jesse Jackson counseling the adulterous Bill Clinton when old Jesse himself was an adulterer. Jesse's private life could have stayed private and only became important when he set himself up as a wonderful exmplar of marital fidelity.
cksalmon wrote:
The kind and Christian thing to do would have been to refuse to pass along the stories.
Wow, you get it! Exactly. FAIR was neither "kind" nor "Christian."
Right. And so your argument for the message boards which made a big deal of this is "well, FAIR did it first?" So what is the rule here? "Do unto others after FAIR does it first?"
cksalmon wrote:FAIR had no problem whatsoever with passing along the stories. Thus, I suppose, it goes without saying that FAIR is neither kind nor Christian. Or, does FAIR get a pass because it yanked the article at the first mention of a lawsuit and has been deafeningly quiet ever since?
I am not arguing for what FAIR did. I am saying that the real damage was done by the other boards. FAIR pulled the article with only a few hits. How long was it up? Minutes? And how long has the chatter been going on on these boards? DAYS.
charity wrote: I am not arguing for what FAIR did. I am saying that the real damage was done by the other boards. FAIR pulled the article with only a few hits. How long was it up? Minutes? And how long has the chatter been going on on these boards? DAYS.
Where lies the greater sin?
That FAIRWiki article was up for a while. What possible motivation would there be in creating it in the first place?
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
the road to hana wrote: Sounds like you're arguing for people protecting their privacy and posting anonymously.
I am for people respecting their spouses and not talking about intimate matters to anyone! Anonymously or out in the open. It is a betrayal. Or maybe you don't agree with me on that.
ck salmon wrote:Charity, let's discuss it on MADB. You start the new thread. Mine was summarily closed. Where else would FAIR's egregiously-despicable behavior be discussed other than on a non-pro-Mormon MB?
I don't think McCue's behavior should be discussed on any message board. And you really can't discuss what FAIR published without further damaging McCue. So what is the point? The anti-FAIR agenda?
Jersey Girl wrote: What intimate information?
Jersey Girl, shame on you! You want somebody to post some piece of McCue's despicable behavior to further spread the rumors?
harmony wrote: Alter's post qualifies as "stories"?
I didn't know what to call them. McCue's disclosures of personal marital matters? Stories was a shorthand way to say that whole thing.
the road to hana wrote: Sounds like you're arguing for people protecting their privacy and posting anonymously.
I am for people respecting their spouses and not talking about intimate matters to anyone! Anonymously or out in the open. It is a betrayal. Or maybe you don't agree with me on that.
If they do, should a pro-Mormon board post it in an encyclopedia entry? To what purpose?
charity wrote:
ck salmon wrote:Charity, let's discuss it on MADB. You start the new thread. Mine was summarily closed. Where else would FAIR's egregiously-despicable behavior be discussed other than on a non-pro-Mormon MB?
I don't think McCue's behavior should be discussed on any message board. And you really can't discuss what FAIR published without further damaging McCue. So what is the point? The anti-FAIR agenda?
Anti-FAIR? You see FAIR somehow as a victim here? Exactly what commendable and appropriate do you think they did in creating an encyclopedia entry on Bob McCue?
charity wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote: What intimate information?
Jersey Girl, shame on you! You want somebody to post some piece of McCue's despicable behavior to further spread the rumors?
I might not always agree with you, Charity, but I try to respect you. When you defend the indefensible and behave in ways that are morally suspect, it's hard to do that.
The road is beautiful, treacherous, and full of twists and turns.
the road to hana wrote: Sounds like you're arguing for people protecting their privacy and posting anonymously.
I am for people respecting their spouses and not talking about intimate matters to anyone! Anonymously or out in the open. It is a betrayal. Or maybe you don't agree with me on that.
ck salmon wrote:Charity, let's discuss it on MADB. You start the new thread. Mine was summarily closed. Where else would FAIR's egregiously-despicable behavior be discussed other than on a non-pro-Mormon MB?
I don't think McCue's behavior should be discussed on any message board. And you really can't discuss what FAIR published without further damaging McCue. So what is the point? The anti-FAIR agenda?
Jersey Girl wrote: What intimate information?
Jersey Girl, shame on you! You want somebody to post some piece of McCue's despicable behavior to further spread the rumors?
harmony wrote: Alter's post qualifies as "stories"?
I didn't know what to call them. McCue's disclosures of personal marital matters? Stories was a shorthand way to say that whole thing.
Excuse me charity...now you're ticking me off. Nowhere on this thread did I make a request to anyone to post ANY piece of McCue's "despicable behavior to further spread the rumors."
Nowhere.
Now stop with the drama, already!
If you're concerned about posting his comments "to further spread rumors", shouldn't you be talking to the folks at FAIR?
Cluck cluck cluck. A bunch of prurient old anonymous hens circulating by email and board chit chat the malicious talk of a known person's private woes. You're sick -- all of you.
rcrocket wrote:Cluck cluck cluck. A bunch of prurient old anonymous hens circulating by email and board chit chat the malicious talk of a known person's private woes. You're sick -- all of you.
Jersey Girl, shame on you! You want somebody to post some piece of McCue's despicable behavior to further spread the rumors?
Jersey Girl wrote: Excuse me charity...now you're ticking me off. Nowhere on this thread did I make a request to anyone to post ANY piece of McCue's "despicable behavior to further spread the rumors."
Nowhere.
Now stop with the drama, already!
And what did you want with your question for "intimate information?"
Jersey Girl wrote: If you're concerned about posting his comments "to further spread rumors", shouldn't you be talking to the folks at FAIR?
You can't find any words about this on FAIR. The only place it is getting any play is here and those anti-Mormon boards.
Jersey Girl, shame on you! You want somebody to post some piece of McCue's despicable behavior to further spread the rumors?
Jersey Girl wrote: Excuse me charity...now you're ticking me off. Nowhere on this thread did I make a request to anyone to post ANY piece of McCue's "despicable behavior to further spread the rumors."
Nowhere.
Now stop with the drama, already!
And what did you want with your question for "intimate information?"
Jersey Girl wrote: If you're concerned about posting his comments "to further spread rumors", shouldn't you be talking to the folks at FAIR?
You can't find any words about this on FAIR. The only place it is getting any play is here and those anti-Mormon boards.
Something such as "hysterectomy vs vasectomy".
by the way, I just started reading the actual articles. Just as I thought, it's a spin reliant chop job. No surprises there. Is anyone at FAIR wiki honest?