Question for KevinSim- biblical gospel articulation request

[Informant]

You mean here?

1 Samuel 6:19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them.

I don’t know what heretical translation you’re reading, but the real Bible says.

And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

[Jersey Girl]

You mean here?

1 Samuel 6:19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them.

I don’t know what heretical translation you’re reading, but the real Bible says.

And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.

Please identify the translation you are using.

When you're done please scroll up and answer the question I reposted to you.

[Res Ipsa]

For there our captors required of us songs, and our tormentors mirth.

psalm 137 is an intensely and in its way beautifully expressive statement of real, all to real, experience. It takes a heart of wood to not understand it.

I agree. The text of the early verses was used as the lyrics for a song in the musical “Godspell.” I’ve loved it since I first heard it.

But the song omits the last verses, which abruptly change tone from a heartbreaking lament to a bloodthirsty plea for revenge. The God of the Jews is described as being “happy” to murder infants by bashing their brains out. Their Good is a brutal God of vengeance whose code is an eye for an eye, and he’s happy to exact vengeance on behalf of his chosen people.

I don’t think Informant’s reference was unfair for the point they were making.

[malkie]

If you would like anyone to consider that you might be right about what you claim, then I don't see how you can justify skepticism about what msnobody claims.

Malkie, I don't want anyone to consider that I might be right about what I claim. I want them to consider that they can themselves ask God questions and get answers directly.

Why question her claim? Why not accept it at face value?

I am sure MsNobody sincerely thinks God inspired the Bible in such a way that we can conclude that Christianity's doctrines are completely correct. Even so, you are asking me to believe the words of a human being instead of the direct words of God. That's why I don't accept it at face value.

Huh?

One of your claims is that people can themselves ask God questions and get answers directly.

Why should people believe you, and, apparently, disbelieve msnobody?

I'm not asking you to believe the words of anyone. You, on the other hand, are asking me and others to believe and act on your claims. If I assume that you are a human, then by your own words I'm perfectly justified in being skeptical about what you say/claim/suggest.

You tell us that god spoke directly to you. From my PoV, it appears that you were speaking to yourself.

I'm sure that msnobody is every bit as sincere in her beliefs as you are in yours - and as I am in mine.

You don't believe me - fine by me, and probably by msnobody.

You don't believe msnobody - fine.

But you haven't explained why you are entitled to be believed over anyone else.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Remember when god killed 50,000 dudes just for looking at an object?

Oh, LOL, remember when he sent some badass bears to slaughter like 40 kids because they called someone bald?

The Bible!

You mean here?

1 Samuel 6:19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them.

Yeah, the KJV has issues with numbers. It’s highly unlikely that town or region would have 50k men to strike down. Whatever the case may be, it seems like killing 70 men for an offense would be indicative of Jehovah’s nature. But I suppose murdering some uppity Bethshemelites for their disobedience or curiosity can be justified because *insert mental gymnastics and verbose reasoning here*. God of blood and vengeance, indeed.

- Doc

[Jersey Girl]

You mean here?

1 Samuel 6:19 But God struck down some of the inhabitants of Beth Shemesh, putting seventy of them to death because they looked into the ark of the LORD. The people mourned because of the heavy blow the LORD had dealt them.

Yeah, the KJV has issues with numbers. It’s highly unlikely that town or region would have 50k men to strike down. Whatever the case may be, it seems like killing 70 men for an offense would be indicative of Jehovah’s nature. But I suppose murdering some uppity Bethshemelites for their disobedience or curiosity can be justified because *insert mental gymnastics and verbose reasoning here*. God of blood and vengeance, indeed.

- Doc

I think I pulled up the NIV on that one or do you mean KS was using the KJV?

[Informant]

Please identify the translation you are using.

When you're done please scroll up and answer the question I reposted to you.

KJV

And no. It’s a horrible thing to say, “dash your fetus onto a rock.”

[Informant]

Yeah, sorry, but I guess I just don’t like killing even ONE guy for looking at an object.

Maybe I’m funny that way?

[Jersey Girl]

Informant, here is a copy of the original attempted exchange with you.

I dunno, I just read Psalm 137:9

Happy is he who repays you for what you have done to us – he who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

The Bible is full of terrible things god does to people. Destroying fetuses, torturing people for no reason, genocide, shebears, etc.

Please explain what you think the purpose of that verse is and whose will is being expressed. Thank you.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Yeah, the KJV has issues with numbers. It’s highly unlikely that town or region would have 50k men to strike down. Whatever the case may be, it seems like killing 70 men for an offense would be indicative of Jehovah’s nature. But I suppose murdering some uppity Bethshemelites for their disobedience or curiosity can be justified because *insert mental gymnastics and verbose reasoning here*. God of blood and vengeance, indeed.

- Doc

I think I pulled up the NIV on that one or do you mean KS was using the KJV?

Yeah, he’s using the KJV, which is what most of us Morms and ex-Morms were taught to use. I don’t know why the Mormon church still uses it, but there you go.

edit - i see he answered the question, my bad for the double tap

- Doc