thestyleguy wrote:one thing I have looked for recently and can't find is a list of Lorenzo Snow's wives. If I recall correctly , about twenty-five years ago, I saw a church news article that showed a picture of a seventeen year old girl who Lorenzo married when he was in his seventies. I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pretty wierd.
If I were a 17-year old girl I might consider marrying a 70-year old man if he was wealthy and about ready to buy the farm.
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thestyleguy wrote:one thing I have looked for recently and can't find is a list of Lorenzo Snow's wives. If I recall correctly , about twenty-five years ago, I saw a church news article that showed a picture of a seventeen year old girl who Lorenzo married when he was in his seventies. I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pretty wierd.
If I were a 17-year old girl I might consider marrying a 70-year old man if he was wealthy and about ready to buy the farm.
Yeah, but you have to share the inheritance with 8 other wives and who knows how many children.
thestyleguy wrote:one thing I have looked for recently and can't find is a list of Lorenzo Snow's wives. If I recall correctly , about twenty-five years ago, I saw a church news article that showed a picture of a seventeen year old girl who Lorenzo married when he was in his seventies. I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pretty wierd.
If I were a 17-year old girl I might consider marrying a 70-year old man if he was wealthy and about ready to buy the farm.
Yeah, but you have to share the inheritance with 8 other wives and who knows how many children.
Yes, but then most of the wives will be older than you and die off shortly afterwards.
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thestyleguy wrote:one thing I have looked for recently and can't find is a list of Lorenzo Snow's wives. If I recall correctly , about twenty-five years ago, I saw a church news article that showed a picture of a seventeen year old girl who Lorenzo married when he was in his seventies. I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pretty wierd.
If I were a 17-year old girl I might consider marrying a 70-year old man if he was wealthy and about ready to buy the farm.
Yeah, but you have to share the inheritance with 8 other wives and who knows how many children.
I'd have him sign a pre-nup agreeing that I get at least X making me also quite wealthy.
That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy. eritis sicut dii I support NCMO
Runtu wrote:The thing about the Battle of Crooked River is that they attacked a state militia unit; that's what precipitated the extermination order. It wasn't that Boggs was an anti-Mormon bigot.
The Nehor wrote:Missouri has enough blame for everyone involved. I'm a believer in the teaching that when there are battles and wars both sides screwed up. Zion is invincible. According to our scriptures Zion either has it's enemys' hearts softened so they won't fight or God fights their battles without them. We were not Zion. Too many LDS blame the Missourians for what happened. In the D&C while the Lord allows the people to seek redress legally it also tells the Saints that they screwed up and that is why it was all allowed to happen to them. Individuals on both sides are guilty of what happened and I don't want to diminish that but it's in canonized scripture that if the Saints had done what they were supposed to do the Lamanites...I mean Missourians would have no power over them.
Uh huh...easy to say after the fact. And, I'm sure had they won, Joseph Smith would be canonizing how God was on their side.
Wasn't Joseph Smith in charge of his followers? It seems pretty evident that he was VERY much in control. So....just wondering why God didn't come down and tell Joseph Smith to tell his followers to knock it off? Why drive them across the plains??
Doesn't God believe in warnings anymore? You know, a "tell the people to repent or be destroyed" kind of thing before He destroys them??
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Runtu wrote:The thing about the Battle of Crooked River is that they attacked a state militia unit; that's what precipitated the extermination order. It wasn't that Boggs was an anti-Mormon bigot.
thestyleguy wrote:So far in this book I have learned that in the early church Joseph Smith, Brigham Young etc tried to create a separate government from the United States, but that didn't blatently violate the U.S constitution. At the end of Nauvoo, Joseph had basically declared martial law. anyone could be stopped and questioned in Nauvoo. All warrants issued from outside had to be brought before Joseph and he would decide if a citizen of Nauvoo could be taken by a local Marshall. He had armed people at posts and commanded a huge private army.
My impression is that this action more than anything inflamed the mobs who ended up killing Joseph Smith. The Nauvoo Charter was set up so that the Mayor and City Council had judicial rights, and as you correctly said, the mayor and council had veto rights on warrants, etc. This made the people in surrounding towns believe that Joseph had set himself above the law and that criminals were using Nauvoo as a safe haven from prosecution. The destruction of the Expositor cemented the idea of Joseph as despot, spurring the mobs to kill him. Now, do not suppose I condone the actions of the mob. I don't. What they did was despicable. It is just interesting to note that it really wasn't polygamy or religious "weirdness" that led to the fateful day at Carthage.
Well the irony is that Joseph and the other Church Leaders sought these rights specifically to avoid another Missouri.
Um, no. They were following the same pattern that got them rightfully kicked out of Missouri.
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thestyleguy wrote:one thing I have looked for recently and can't find is a list of Lorenzo Snow's wives. If I recall correctly , about twenty-five years ago, I saw a church news article that showed a picture of a seventeen year old girl who Lorenzo married when he was in his seventies. I remember thinking at the time that it seemed pretty wierd.
If I were a 17-year old girl I might consider marrying a 70-year old man if he was wealthy and about ready to buy the farm.
Yeah, but you have to share the inheritance with 8 other wives and who knows how many children.
If you were not the first wife you and your children got no inheritance.
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The Nehor wrote:Missouri has enough blame for everyone involved. I'm a believer in the teaching that when there are battles and wars both sides screwed up. Zion is invincible. According to our scriptures Zion either has it's enemys' hearts softened so they won't fight or God fights their battles without them. We were not Zion. Too many LDS blame the Missourians for what happened. In the D&C while the Lord allows the people to seek redress legally it also tells the Saints that they screwed up and that is why it was all allowed to happen to them. Individuals on both sides are guilty of what happened and I don't want to diminish that but it's in canonized scripture that if the Saints had done what they were supposed to do the Lamanites...I mean Missourians would have no power over them.
Uh huh...easy to say after the fact. And, I'm sure had they won, Joseph Smith would be canonizing how God was on their side.
Wasn't Joseph Smith in charge of his followers? It seems pretty evident that he was VERY much in control. So....just wondering why God didn't come down and tell Joseph Smith to tell his followers to knock it off? Why drive them across the plains??
Doesn't God believe in warnings anymore? You know, a "tell the people to repent or be destroyed" kind of thing before He destroys them??
Where do you get the idea that Joseph Smith or anyone else can control anyone? Joseph was telling the LDS again and again to repent or be destroyed. We had and still have Missionaries saying the same thing.
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