Seminary: bleary eyed brainwashing

[_Maxrep]

I'm surprised this precious tid-bit has not been brought up, perhaps it was never canonized as official church doctrine:

"Those who attend early morning seminary will experience the blessing of having their academic scores in high school improve"

Its kind of like tithing - an illogical promise to follow illogical behavior.

My high school counselor once called me in to inquire why I was sleeping with my head on the desk in one of my classes(teacher told on me!). I'll give a cyber "pat on the back" to the first person who has the answer!!!

[_Inconceivable]

Even before my dissafection, it seemed like my kids would come home with the most rediculous Faith-Promoting Rumor's (Paul Dunn type stories) taught as gospel from some nutcase seminary teacher. I really grew to become tired of this.

[_Sethbag]

I don't think that seminary is the problem. The problem lies with the load that high school students now have in the school. And in the fact that students have too much on their plate in other areas of their life. Of course, seminary will need to suffer because to learn about god is just not as imortant as 'succeeding' in life. And yet, I cannot but think that our children need seminary and less of the other.

Sorry, but my daughter is getting enough Mythology in her English class. No need to wake up any earlier to get more mythology from an LDS seminary teacher. And I reject the notion that my daughter is receiving "too much" education, and that it would be good to reduce this by 15% or so so that she can learn about Mormon mythology.

My daughter is in seminary and I had a talk with her about what she is learning. She told me a lot of interesting topics that she learned. She was very up on Joseph Smith and other aspects of church history. The LDS kids need seminary.

Yup. I'm sure she knows all about Joseph Smith having sex with married women behind their husbands', and his wife's, back. And I'm sure they've learned all about the fact that the Book of Abraham was "translated" from an Egyptian Breathing Permit, which is really just a catalyst for the "real" writings of Abraham.

[_Scottie]

Yup. I'm sure she knows all about Joseph Smith having sex with married women behind their husbands', and his wife's, back. And I'm sure they've learned all about the fact that the Book of Abraham was "translated" from an Egyptian Breathing Permit, which is really just a catalyst for the "real" writings of Abraham.

This is a great point. I keep hearing apologists saying time and time again that it's our own fault we don't know this stuff, and that we should have studied it.

The church doesn't whitewash anything. Church just isn't the appropriate time or place to discuss these issues.

Doesn't seminary seems like the perfect place to learn these things?

[_Jason Bourne]

I must confess this is one I have mixed emotions on. I got released time growing up in Utah. Not being a morning person I wonder how I would have faired with early AM seminary. In many ways I think it is rather brutal on a kids schedule to do this. I did send my oldest three. One went willingly and enjoyed. The second went but protested for the last two and it was a bit of a battle. The third, well he fought tooth and nail and dropped it about 2.5 years in. It was creating too much of a problem to continue to force the issue.

Interestingly the oldes is active and temple married, the other two are choosing not to pursue and active LDS life right now. One says she still believes it, the other, my Marine son is not so sure.

So I still have a 12 year old daughter and part of me does not want to make her go unless she wants to. My wife insists that in two years she go.

[_Jason Bourne]

Yup. I'm sure she knows all about Joseph Smith having sex with married women behind their husbands', and his wife's, back. And I'm sure they've learned all about the fact that the Book of Abraham was "translated" from an Egyptian Breathing Permit, which is really just a catalyst for the "real" writings of Abraham.

This is a great point. I keep hearing apologists saying time and time again that it's our own fault we don't know this stuff, and that we should have studied it.

The church doesn't whitewash anything. Church just isn't the appropriate time or place to discuss these issues.

Doesn't seminary seems like the perfect place to learn these things?

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I think Rough Stone Rolling would be the ideal text for the year of seminary on Church history.

[_Polygamy Porter]

I don't think that seminary is the problem. The problem lies with the load that high school students now have in the school. And in the fact that students have too much on their plate in other areas of their life. Of course, seminary will need to suffer because to learn about god is just not as imortant as 'succeeding' in life. And yet, I cannot but think that our children need seminary and less of the other.

My daughter is in seminary and I had a talk with her about what she is learning. She told me a lot of interesting topics that she learned. She was very up on Joseph Smith and other aspects of church history. The LDS kids need seminary.

Good one Mr Jackmormon, do as you say and not as you do?

The Mormon church needs seminary more than the kids do. If the kids did not (as my son puts it) go to church every weekday morning, they would not retain many into adulthood. It is less about them learning and more about bonding them together in a us versus them cult mentality.


I grew up in Utah and we had that crap as release time. We called it semenary because it was called "release time" LOL

I remember the day I realized that non of us were part of the supposed "Chosen generation". I realized my own seminary teachers were told that 20 years ago.

It truly is indoctrination.

[_Polygamy Porter]

I must confess this is one I have mixed emotions on. I got released time growing up in Utah. Not being a morning person I wonder how I would have faired with early AM seminary. In many ways I think it is rather brutal on a kids schedule to do this. I did send my oldest three. One went willingly and enjoyed. The second went but protested for the last two and it was a bit of a battle. The third, well he fought tooth and nail and dropped it about 2.5 years in. It was creating too much of a problem to continue to force the issue.

Interestingly the oldes is active and temple married, the other two are choosing not to pursue and active LDS life right now. One says she still believes it, the other, my Marine son is not so sure.

So I still have a 12 year old daughter and part of me does not want to make her go unless she wants to. My wife insists that in two years she go.

Interesting.

[_Jason Bourne]

I must confess this is one I have mixed emotions on. I got released time growing up in Utah. Not being a morning person I wonder how I would have faired with early AM seminary. In many ways I think it is rather brutal on a kids schedule to do this. I did send my oldest three. One went willingly and enjoyed. The second went but protested for the last two and it was a bit of a battle. The third, well he fought tooth and nail and dropped it about 2.5 years in. It was creating too much of a problem to continue to force the issue.

Interestingly the oldes is active and temple married, the other two are choosing not to pursue and active LDS life right now. One says she still believes it, the other, my Marine son is not so sure.

So I still have a 12 year old daughter and part of me does not want to make her go unless she wants to. My wife insists that in two years she go.

Interesting.

Why?

[_Mercury]

I'll give a cyber "pat on the back" to the first person who has the answer!!!

Teeheehee