Joseph Smith as plundering mobber. Interesting stuff.

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Runtu wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:The battle played a role, but you've got to include what led to the battle, runtu. (by the way, it is doubtful those who participated in Haun's Mill knew about the Ext. Order yet.)


What led to the battle, from my perspective is this...


Years ago (94-96 or so) when I was a participant on the old mormon-l (started at BYU, but had to go elsewhere when it started getting too "edgy"), there was a guy named Mel Tungate that had some great information that he shared with us in regards to the Battle of Crooked River. At the time I was flabbergasted that so-called saints of God could be driven to act/participate in barbarities that one would attribute to those that were less than stellar human beings. Alas, I was forced to readjust my comfortable little paradigm and...aghast!!...come to the realization that these early saints were less than stellar also.

But that's OK. So am I.

If you're interested in learning more about the BofCR, here is an excellent place to continue your research:

http://www.tungate.com/crooked_river.htm

http://www.tungate.com/Missouri_1838.htm

There's a lot of other good stuff on Tungate's site too. Enjoy.

Regards,
MG
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truth dancer wrote:Hey MG...
That we shouldn't be surprised when we learn that the human condition, and the way that humans often repond thereto, is part and parcel of what makes up early Mormon history.


I KNOW my expectations were WAY too high...


So were mine.

Regards,
MG
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Blixa wrote:
LifeOnaPlate wrote:Julia Roberts said something in Pretty Woman along the lines of "The bad is so much easier to believe than the good."

Good movie.


Romantizing prostitution Cinderella story. Real nice.


Wait a minute, she was a prostitute in that movie? I thought that was "Hook."
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I guess the tradition of piratical Mormons continues to this day....

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Mormon+Pirate

1. Mormon Pirate

A "loose" woman of the religion Mormon, who prays on drunk men in Key West bars. Mormon Pirates stay sober while the men they crave party in the fresh Florida air. Typically, the Mormon Pirate will then return to her dwelling with the male, perhaps by Vespa scooter, and perform sexual acts, using either her good hand, or her hook.
“I was hooked from the start,” Snoop Dogg said. “We talked about the purpose of life, played Mousetrap, and ate brownies. The kids thought it was off the hook, for real.”
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LifeOnaPlate wrote:Gotta watch out for them Danites...

I know the apologists like to make jokes about the Danites, as if constantly raising the sarcastic warning about them somehow changes the fact that in this particular context, the Danites are a deadly serious business. No, there aren't Danites around every corner watching us critics today, as apologists like to joke, but there most certainly were Danites in 1838 in Missouri, and they meant business.

By the way, by what right were the Dissenters (Oliver Cowdery and the Whitmers and Phelps and others) forced to move out of the county upon the threat of death? And who did the threatening? Oliver Cowdery sure took their threats seriously. He'd have had good reason to.
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