antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
You know what? Since it's so clear that the TBMs on this thread would like to focus on the plagiarism, I think it's only fair that I change the thread title to reflect this.
antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
He made the proper attribution. He just forgot to add quotes. If you are familiar with Kerry and his writing on message boards, that wouldn't be shocking. Scratch is grasping at straws here.
guy sajer wrote:As for Scratch, I think he/she has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, and this was another example of it.
Agreed.
Though he/she does come up with some good stuff now and then.
Careful. You'll be called a sexist for inferring that scratch may be a female.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
LifeOnaPlate wrote:I think a better title to this thread would have been "Mopologist fails to put a quote in a quote box, though he cited the actual reference."
Oh? Where is the reference to actual page numbers? This seems rather important, given that he's (apparently) using a chunk of verbatim text. He did not "clearly" cite the "actual reference anywhere. His post fails to identify which text is Kerry's and which is Christenson's---a fact which was confusing to one of the other posters on the thread. (It was so confusing that the posters were unsure whether or not Kerry and Christenson were the same person.) Furthermore, Kerry Shirts is an adult, presumably with a post-secondary education. If he made a mistake such as this in a Freshman composition course, he would have a lot of explaining to do. At minimum, he would get a very stern warning from his instructor.
Anyways, I'm sort of confused as to why the TBMs have keyed in on this clear violation of quotation practices. in my opinion, the more interesting portion of the thread involved the "reaming" of KS's basic argument.
These are different arguments than your insinuation of plagiarism.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
Shirts provided the name of the person he was referring to. He provided the source as follows:
Linguistic Puzzles Still Unresolved Review of Mapping the Book of Mormon: A Comprehensive Geography of Nephite America by Robert A. Pate Reviewed By: Allen J. Christenson Provo, Utah: FARMS, 2004. Pp. 107–12
He was too ambiguous in that he was essentially summing up the review he cited, and that confused some thread participants. Without the existence of the person and source Shirts would have no reason to start that thread. Poor execution of documentation, it seems.
Plagiarism? Not in the least.
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One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
You mean like Merrill Bateman??
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antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
He made the proper attribution. He just forgot to add quotes.
Actually, no---he also failed to supply pg. numbers for what is, apparently, a verbatim quotation. It isn't simply a matter of failing to supply quotes; he fundamentally failed to draw any real distinction between which text was his vs. which was Christenson's. Further evidence for this can be found in the thread itself, in which at least one poster expresses confusion as to who/what (if anything) belongs to Kerry.
antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
He made the proper attribution. He just forgot to add quotes.
Actually, no---he also failed to supply pg. numbers for what is, apparently, a verbatim quotation. It isn't simply a matter of failing to supply quotes; he fundamentally failed to draw any real distinction between which text was his vs. which was Christenson's. Further evidence for this can be found in the thread itself, in which at least one poster expresses confusion as to who/what (if anything) belongs to Kerry.
Again, see how Shirts begins the thread:
Linguistic Puzzles Still Unresolved Review of Mapping the Book of Mormon: A Comprehensive Geography of Nephite America by Robert A. Pate Reviewed By: Allen J. Christenson Provo, Utah: FARMS, 2004. Pp. 107–12
Complete with page numbers.
One moment in annihilation's waste, one moment, of the well of life to taste- The stars are setting and the caravan starts for the dawn of nothing; Oh, make haste! -Omar Khayaam
antishock8 wrote:The dude got caught plagiarizing, and backpeddled with some lame excuse. I'm pretty sure most of us here are familiar with the rules of plagiarizing. He clearly plagiarized.
From wiki: "Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation."
He made the proper attribution. He just forgot to add quotes.
Actually, no---he also failed to supply pg. numbers for what is, apparently, a verbatim quotation. It isn't simply a matter of failing to supply quotes; he fundamentally failed to draw any real distinction between which text was his vs. which was Christenson's. Further evidence for this can be found in the thread itself, in which at least one poster expresses confusion as to who/what (if anything) belongs to Kerry.
Again, see how Shirts begins the thread:
Linguistic Puzzles Still Unresolved Review of Mapping the Book of Mormon: A Comprehensive Geography of Nephite America by Robert A. Pate Reviewed By: Allen J. Christenson Provo, Utah: FARMS, 2004. Pp. 107–12
Complete with page numbers.
And to which portion of the text are these pg. numbers attributed? Answer: none of it. (by the way: 5 pages seems quite a bit to cite, given the length of text in the posting. This makes it seem as if he was intending to paragraph the Christenson text, but was he? Once again, the failure to draw these clear distinctions points to plagiarism.) The bottom line is that Kerry was very sloppy, and he failed to make a clear distinction between which of post was his, and which was Christenson's. Since antishock8 already pointed out that "intent" is meaningless in terms of evaluating plagiarism, there can be no question that KS really put his foot in his mouth on this one. Here is an excerpt from the most recent edition of the MLA Handbook:
Often plagiarism in student writing is unintentional, as when an elementary school pupil, assigned to do a report on a certain topic, goes home and copies down, word for word, everything on the subject in an encyclopedia. Unfortunately, some students continue to use such "research methods" in high school and even college [and on messageboards!], not realizing that these practices constitute plagiarism.
(pp. 69-70)
The entry goes on to explain the importance of distinguishing "exact wording you copy from sources," which Shirts apparently failed to do. He ought to be more careful.
Here is one of the entries on plagiarism from the Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association, Fifth Edition:
[Writers] do not present substantial portions or elements of another's work or data as their own, even if the other work or data source is cited occasionally