Polygamy: '....part of the restoration of ALL things'???

[_cksalmon]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Brigham Young claim that Jesus had several wives? I'm sure I read this in the Jounal of Discourses.

O. Hyde taught this (see JoD 4:259; JoD 2:210), as did O. Pratt (The Seer, 172), and Jedediah Grant (Brigham Young's second counselor for little more than a month, from 1 December 1856 to 4 January 1857)--see JoD 2:82 (though here he does not explicitly state that Jesus was in fact married polygamously, he does willingly allow for it: "I do not despise to be called a son of Abraham if he had a dozen wives, or to be called a brother, a son, a child of the Savior if he had Mary and Martha and several others as wives...")

I'm not aware of any recorded instance wherein B. Young himself propounds this belief, but I could certainly be wrong.

This is the best online source for JoD.

Best.

Chris

[_RockHeaded]

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Brigham Young claim that Jesus had several wives? I'm sure I read this in the Jounal of Discourses.

O. Hyde taught this (see JoD 4:259; JoD 2:210), as did O. Pratt (The Seer, 172), and Jedediah Grant (Brigham Young's second counselor for little more than a month, from 1 December 1856 to 4 January 1857)--see JoD 2:82 (though here he does not explicitly state that Jesus was in fact married polygamously, he does willingly allow for it: "I do not despise to be called a son of Abraham if he had a dozen wives, or to be called a brother, a son, a child of the Savior if he had Mary and Martha and several others as wives...")

I'm not aware of any recorded instance wherein B. Young himself propounds this belief, but I could certainly be wrong.

This is the best online source for JoD.

Best.

Chris

I'm sure that I had this twisted thinking it was from Brigham Young but it was actually from a couple of his followers. Thanks for the resources and clarity.

RockHeaded

[_Brackite]

If I understand the story correctly, Christ came to the earth and setup a church. So since the excuse has been that polygamy/polyandry were part of a complete restoration of Christ's church, exactly as it was when Christ set it up, where was this supposedly important principle of plural marriage discussed and detailed in the New Testament??

Why would plural marriage have to exist in New Testament times in order to also qualify as part of a restoration of all things? What about the qualifier of Jacob 2:30 which would also have to be restored by your logic?

Nice try. The Book of Mormon IS NOT the Bible. Only references from the Bible will be taken seriously.

Why weren't other things from the Old Testament restored?

Hello.

Just some important information here: Jacob 2:30 in the Book of Mormon is NOT a Pro-Polygamy Passage. The Legal Wives for Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Heber C. Kimball were all fertile. There was no need that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or Heber C. Kimball to marry many wives to raise up seed unto the Lord, because all of their legal wives were fertile, and they bore them children, and these ladies were able to raise up seed unto the Lord.

Now here is my Commentary and exegesis of Jacob chapter two, verse 30, along with 1 Nephi chapter seven, verse one, and 1 Nephi chapter 16, verses seven and eight:

Here is Jacob 2:30:

Jacob 2:

[30] For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

The Lord God intends to command His People in order to raise up seed unto Him. This is really meaning raising up seed unto the Lord. It can and will be done through Monogamy. The Lord God intends to raise up seed unto Him, through Monogamy, NOT Polygamy, as can be seen when comparing Jacob 2:30 to 1 Nephi 7:1, and then correctly comparing 1 Nephi 7:1 to 1 Nephi 16:7-8. Here is again 1 Nephi 7:1 Compared to, to 1 Nephi 16:7-8:

1 Nephi 7:

[1] And now I would that ye might know, that after my father, Lehi, had made an end of prophesying concerning his seed, it came to pass that the Lord spake unto him again, saying that it was not meet for him, Lehi, that he should take his family into the wilderness alone; but that his sons should take daughters to wife, that they might raise up seed unto the Lord in the land of promise.

1 Nephi 16:

[7] And it came to pass that I, Nephi, took one of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also, my brethren took of the daughters of Ishmael to wife; and also Zoram took the eldest daughter of Ishmael to wife.

[8] And thus my father had fulfilled all the commandments of the Lord which had been given unto him. And also, I, Nephi, had been blessed of the Lord exceedingly.

The phrase, 'raise up seed unto the Lord' in the Book of Mormon means that the Lord God wants to raise up a righteous seed; righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God. The Lord God intends to 'raise up seed unto the Him' in the Book of Mormon by meaning that the Lord will command just Monogamy to raise up seed unto Him.

And Here is Jacob Chapter two, versus 23 through 28, Within the Book of Mormon:

Jacob 2:23-28:

[23] But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.
[24] Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.
[25] Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that I might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.
[26] Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.
[27] Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;
[28] For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

Yes, The Book of Mormon does indeed fully condemns the Practice of Polygamy.
And Please also notice that the phrase 'raise us seed unto the Lord' does Not mean that the Lord God wants to raise up a more numerous seed. The phrase, 'raise up seed unto the Lord' in the Book of Mormon means that the Lord God wants to raise up a righteous seed; righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God. Lets go through another Scriptural Passage again in the Book of Mormon to more effectively demonstrate my Point here. In Mosiah chapter 15, verses 10-13, the Lord God through the Book of Mormon Prophet Abinadi defines who is the seed of the Lord God. Here is Mosiah Chapter 15, verses 10-13:

Mosiah 15:10-13:

[10] And now I say unto you, who shall declare his generation? Behold, I say unto you, that when his soul has been made an offering for sin he shall see his seed. And now what say ye? And who shall be his seed?

[11] Behold I say unto you, that whosoever has heard the words of the prophets, yea, all the holy prophets who have prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord -- I say unto you, that all those who have hearkened unto their words, and believed that the Lord would redeem his people, and have looked forward to that day for a remission of their sins, I say unto you, that these are his seed, or they are heirs of the kingdom of God.

[12] For these are they whose sins he has borne; these are they for whom he has died, to redeem them from their transgressions. And now, are they not his seed?

[13] Yea, and are not the prophets, every one that has opened his mouth to prophesy, that has not fallen into transgression, I mean all the holy prophets ever since the world began? I say unto you that they are his seed.

(Bold Emphasis Mine.)

Conclusion: The Book of Mormon fully condemns the Practice of Polygamy.


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[_Boaz & Lidia]

So then, am I surprised by the lack of solid responses by the defenders of Mormonism?

No, not at all. They really do not have much, if any at all, to use when discussing this "restoration of all things".

[_Brackite]

Hello,

Here is 1 Timothy Chapter 3, verses 1-3, found in the New King James Version of the Bible:

1 Timothy 3:1-3: (NKJV):

Qualifications of Overseers

1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;

Here is Part from a Commentary, On 1 Timothy 3:2:

[b] b. Husband of one wife: The idea here is of “A one-woman man.” It is not that a leader must be married (if so, then both Jesus and Paul could not be spiritual leaders in our churches). Nor is the idea that leader could never remarry if his wife had passed away or was Biblically divorced. The idea is that is love and affection and heart is given to one woman, and that being his lawful and wedded wife.

i. This means that the Biblical leader is not a playboy, an adulterer, a flirt, and does not show romantic or sexual interest in other women, including the depictions or images of women in pornography.

(Link: http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/5403.htm )

Now, Here is 1 Timothy Chapter 3, Verses 1-3, found in the New International Version of the Bible:

Timothy 3:1-3: (NIV):

Overseers and Deacons

1 Here is a trustworthy saying: If anyone sets his heart on being an overseer,[a] he desires a noble task. 2 Now the overseer must be above reproach, the husband of but one wife, temperate, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.

Conclusion: Church Leaders within the New Testament Church, were only to have just one wife.

[_Yoda]

Great stuff, Brackite!!!

I think I am developing a crush. ;)

[_bcspace]

And Please also notice that the phrase 'raise us seed unto the Lord' does Not mean that the Lord God wants to raise up a more numerous seed. The phrase, 'raise up seed unto the Lord' in the Book of Mormon means that the Lord God wants to raise up a righteous seed; righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God.

This actually destroys your case because you've neglected to take this all the way to it's logical conclusion. Your logic...

Just some important information here: Jacob 2:30 in the Book of Mormon is NOT a Pro-Polygamy Passage. The Legal Wives for Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Heber C. Kimball were all fertile. There was no need that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or Heber C. Kimball to marry many wives to raise up seed unto the Lord, because all of their legal wives were fertile, and they bore them children, and these ladies were able to raise up seed unto the Lord.

..... doesn't seem to fit the Biblical account as the same could be applied to David and his situation, yet God still authorized his plural marriages (2 Samuel 12:7-11). Therefore, what you seem to be missing is that "unto me" includes the elements of "in the Lord's own way" and/or "His will".

[_Boaz & Lidia]

And Please also notice that the phrase 'raise us seed unto the Lord' does Not mean that the Lord God wants to raise up a more numerous seed. The phrase, 'raise up seed unto the Lord' in the Book of Mormon means that the Lord God wants to raise up a righteous seed; righteous children, righteous sons and daughters, unto the Lord God.

This actually destroys your case because you've neglected to take this all the way to it's logical conclusion. Your logic...

Just some important information here: Jacob 2:30 in the Book of Mormon is NOT a Pro-Polygamy Passage. The Legal Wives for Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, and Heber C. Kimball were all fertile. There was no need that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young or Heber C. Kimball to marry many wives to raise up seed unto the Lord, because all of their legal wives were fertile, and they bore them children, and these ladies were able to raise up seed unto the Lord.

..... doesn't seem to fit the Biblical account as the same could be applied to David and his situation, yet God still authorized his plural marriages (2 Samuel 12:7-11). Therefore, what you seem to be missing is that "unto me" includes the elements of "in the Lord's own way" and/or "His will".

The big diff between the supposed polyg in the Old Testament and polyg in the Mormon church is back in the Old Testament story, god only told a few men to do it and did not tie it to their salvation.

Under Mormonism, many(if not all members) were told that they MUST cheat on their wive(s) and that their salvation depended it.