Roger Morrison wrote:Thanks Rollo. I wonder if BKP spoke to his audience about Jesus of Nazareth? The perils of riches? Charity trumping prophecy? Instant forgiveness? Seems his testimony has more to do with J.S. than with J.C... Warm regards, Roger
Woe unto ye, Scribes, Pharisees, hypocrites, a generation of vipers shall not escape the damnation of hell.
Not sure, I think Jesus was a little more harsh.
There is a tendency in many LDS to think that a harsh version of Christ's love is to be emulated.
TAK wrote:I had a couple of companions like that. In retrospect they were smart young men who resented being forced into a one size fits all box where life was ruled by an *sshole misson president whose only goal was to make GA. They were programmed from birth to go on a mission and where the home life and family relationships would have been toast had they not completed the mission. They were not lazy.. quite the opposite..
Yet they're all so feeble and weak-willed that when they realize they don't want to be on a Mission and that they're a pain to be around they still won't go home. I didn't see them as particularly smart. I expect a lot of them became WoW addicts based on my interaction with them. I did know one Missionary that I thought was smart and didn't want to be there. He went to the Mission President and requested to be sent home. He went and got on with his life. Good for him.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
TAK wrote:I had a couple of companions like that. In retrospect they were smart young men who resented being forced into a one size fits all box where life was ruled by an *sshole misson president whose only goal was to make GA. They were programmed from birth to go on a mission and where the home life and family relationships would have been toast had they not completed the mission. They were not lazy.. quite the opposite..
Yet they're all so feeble and weak-willed that when they realize they don't want to be on a Mission and that they're a pain to be around they still won't go home. I didn't see them as particularly smart. I expect a lot of them became WoW addicts based on my interaction with them. I did know one Missionary that I thought was smart and didn't want to be there. He went to the Mission President and requested to be sent home. He went and got on with his life. Good for him.
ALL ?? So apparently you think that if a person goes on a misson because of pressure from parents / family / ward members / girlfriends they are "feeble and weak-willed" ? My guess is that is a large percentage of those that do go..
TAK wrote:I had a couple of companions like that. In retrospect they were smart young men who resented being forced into a one size fits all box where life was ruled by an *sshole misson president whose only goal was to make GA. They were programmed from birth to go on a mission and where the home life and family relationships would have been toast had they not completed the mission. They were not lazy.. quite the opposite..
Yet they're all so feeble and weak-willed that when they realize they don't want to be on a Mission and that they're a pain to be around they still won't go home. I didn't see them as particularly smart. I expect a lot of them became WoW addicts based on my interaction with them. I did know one Missionary that I thought was smart and didn't want to be there. He went to the Mission President and requested to be sent home. He went and got on with his life. Good for him.
ALL ?? So apparently you think that if a person goes on a misson because of pressure from parents / family / ward members / girlfriends they are "feeble and weak-willed" ? My guess is that is a large percentage of those that do go..
Yes, I think they're feeble and weak-willed. To sacrifice two years of your life for something you don't believe in or casually believe in is STUPID. It's not easy either. It's not a vacation. It can be very soul-crushing, difficult, exhausting, and I couldn't have gotten through it without God's help. Most go out having no idea what they're getting into. They buck up, develop the resolve to keep going, and work. Then there are losers who realize they can't/won't do it but hang around anyways. They develop victim complexes as their companions try to get them to work as they promised they would do. They go home broken and bitter and probably spend a lot of time on message boards talking about the evil Mormons. Part of their anger comes from being asked repeatedly to do what they promised to do by virtue of going. If you can't or won't live up to your commitment, GET OUT!
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
TAK wrote:I had a couple of companions like that. In retrospect they were smart young men who resented being forced into a one size fits all box where life was ruled by an *sshole misson president whose only goal was to make GA. They were programmed from birth to go on a mission and where the home life and family relationships would have been toast had they not completed the mission. They were not lazy.. quite the opposite..
Yet they're all so feeble and weak-willed that when they realize they don't want to be on a Mission and that they're a pain to be around they still won't go home. I didn't see them as particularly smart. I expect a lot of them became WoW addicts based on my interaction with them. I did know one Missionary that I thought was smart and didn't want to be there. He went to the Mission President and requested to be sent home. He went and got on with his life. Good for him.
ALL ?? So apparently you think that if a person goes on a misson because of pressure from parents / family / ward members / girlfriends they are "feeble and weak-willed" ? My guess is that is a large percentage of those that do go..
Yes, I think they're feeble and weak-willed. To sacrifice two years of your life for something you don't believe in or casually believe in is STUPID. It's not easy either. It's not a vacation. It can be very soul-crushing, difficult, exhausting, and I couldn't have gotten through it without God's help. Most go out having no idea what they're getting into. They buck up, develop the resolve to keep going, and work. Then there are losers who realize they can't/won't do it but hang around anyways. They develop victim complexes as their companions try to get them to work as they promised they would do. They go home broken and bitter and probably spend a lot of time on message boards talking about the evil Mormons. Part of their anger comes from being asked repeatedly to do what they promised to do by virtue of going. If you can't or won't live up to your commitment, GET OUT!
I didn't say I wasn't angry about this. I am angry that I spent several months of my life trying to convince companions to do what they said they were going to do with no success. I didn't go out on a Mission to be a motivational counselor for guys who acted like deadbeats.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
I was stupid for having gone on an LDS mission. I'll admit that. I wish I had those two years of my life back. It's the one decision I made in my life that I regret. There are two types of missionaries: those who aspire to leadership positions and those who don't. I'm guessing Nehor was an AP.
silentkid wrote:I was stupid for having gone on an LDS mission. I'll admit that. I wish I had those two years of my life back. It's the one decision I made in my life that I regret. There are two types of missionaries: those who aspire to leadership positions and those who don't. I'm guessing Nehor was an AP.
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Dead wrong, sorry. I had no desire to be an AP. My goal was to be Junior Companion my whole Mission so I could just work without having to worry about my District or my Zone or even the whole Mission. I didn't make it but I tried. I was never a Zone Leader or an AP.
I have a different classification. Those missionaries who are there for the right reasons and do the work and those who don't.
"Surely he knows that DCP, The Nehor, Lamanite, and other key apologists..." -Scratch clarifying my status in apologetics "I admit it; I'm a petty, petty man." -Some Schmo
My son's friend is planning on putting in his mission papers soon. The problem is that this kid doesn't really believe in the church at all, so my son asked him why he's going. He said, "It's two years away from my parents that I don't really have to think about the future."
President Monson once said that missionaries go out for a number of reasons, including peer pressure, family pressure, and a sense of obligation. He said they stay because they become converted. I'm not sure that's true, but the unconverted sure make for crappy companions. I'm sure my son's friend is going to be a gem of a missionary.
silentkid wrote:I was stupid for having gone on an LDS mission. I'll admit that. I wish I had those two years of my life back. It's the one decision I made in my life that I regret. There are two types of missionaries: those who aspire to leadership positions and those who don't. I'm guessing Nehor was an AP.
Hahahahahaha!!!!
Dead wrong, sorry. I had no desire to be an AP. My goal was to be Junior Companion my whole Mission so I could just work without having to worry about my District or my Zone or even the whole Mission. I didn't make it but I tried. I was never a Zone Leader or an AP.
I have a different classification. Those missionaries who are there for the right reasons and do the work and those who don't.
Maybe God intended for you to develop others and you blindly rejected that call?