Huntsman and story behind the story

[_moksha]

We're never going to have to worry about a Mormon of any stripe in the White House. The Secret Service can't get into the temple.

Following Kishkumen's train of thought, the Church would make exceptions for a Mormon in the White House. Besides both Kevlar and .44 Magnums can be made white and delightsome.

That's ridiculous. The Secret Service could simply deputized Temple Workers for the day. Sniper rifles hidded behind some kind of screen could thwart both foreign and Tea Partying terrorists.

[_Kishkumen]

Thanks, J Green. I would have suspected as much based on what little I know. It is still nice to see a non-apostate Mormon who can come here and give solid information on something like this, rather than sling empty insults. You are an intelligent and fair person.

I'm always sad to see others leave the faith, if that is what is happening (or has happened) here. But politics aside, there is no slight intellect at work with Huntsman. I met with him to give him updates (at his office and at his home) on the issues in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I gave him security briefings before he visited theater to talk to the men and women serving from Utah. He has a very quick intellect. He's very sharp. It didn't matter whether the subject was Iranian hegemony, Afghan corruption, tribal awakening vs a strong Iraqi central government, the nuances of Muslim sects, or the effects of PTSD--he contributed to the discussion with depth and intellgence. I can't (and don't like to) speak about US Political divisions, but on matters I believe I understand well, the intellect he displayed was considerable. Seemed like a bright, down-to-earth, humble guy.

My two cents.

[_Will Schryver]

I'm always sad to see others leave the faith, if that is what is happening (or has happened) here. But politics aside, there is no slight intellect at work with Huntsman. I met with him to give him updates (at his office and at his home) on the issues in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I gave him security briefings before he visited theater to talk to the men and women serving from Utah. He has a very quick intellect. He's very sharp. It didn't matter whether the subject was Iranian hegemony, Afghan corruption, tribal awakening vs a strong Iraqi central government, the nuances of Muslim sects, or the effects of PTSD--he contributed to the discussion with depth and intellgence. I can't (and don't like to) speak about US Political divisions, but on matters I believe I understand well, the intellect he displayed was considerable. Seemed like a bright, down-to-earth, humble guy.

My two cents.

Driven to shelter by a sudden May thunderstorm, and after leaving a tarp over my tractor seat and putting on a dry shirt, I happened on this post.

I sincerely value your perspective, J Green. It adds to the bigger picture.

My impressions of Huntsman are entirely based on the public projection of his sincerity and intellect. Based on my years of observing him as governor, he has always seemed to me to be a little disingenuous. This is, of course, a very subjective, almost visceral reaction to a man. I remind myself that I have before, in my life, had such an initial reaction to a person and then ultimately came to see a fuller picture of the person that either moderated or entirely altered my first impressions.

As for the question of intellect, I consent that, when it comes to people on the public stage, I probably tend to judge the attribute of intellect in a person based inordinately on his capacity for verbally expressing that intellect in a "think on your feet" type of atmosphere. In that respect Huntsman has never really impressed me--hence my earlier comment. On the other hand, I allow for the distinct possibility that he merely lacks a pronounced talent for extemporaneous speaking, but is a deep and deliberate thinker otherwise.

Again, thank you for your very substantive and informative contribution--something that, in the GSTP©, is conspicuous by its typical absence.

[_Nightlion]

I'm always sad to see others leave the faith, if that is what is happening (or has happened) here. But politics aside, there is no slight intellect at work with Huntsman. I met with him to give him updates (at his office and at his home) on the issues in Iraq and Afghanistan. And I gave him security briefings before he visited theater to talk to the men and women serving from Utah. He has a very quick intellect. He's very sharp. It didn't matter whether the subject was Iranian hegemony, Afghan corruption, tribal awakening vs a strong Iraqi central government, the nuances of Muslim sects, or the effects of PTSD--he contributed to the discussion with depth and intellgence. I can't (and don't like to) speak about US Political divisions, but on matters I believe I understand well, the intellect he displayed was considerable. Seemed like a bright, down-to-earth, humble guy.

My two cents.

Driven to shelter by a sudden May thunderstorm, and after leaving a tarp over my tractor seat and putting on a dry shirt, I happened on this post.

I sincerely value your perspective, J Green. It adds to the bigger picture.

My impressions of Huntsman are entirely based on the public projection of his sincerity and intellect. Based on my years of observing him as governor, he has always seemed to me to be a little disingenuous. This is, of course, a very subjective, almost visceral reaction to a man. I remind myself that I have before, in my life, had such an initial reaction to a person and then ultimately came to see a fuller picture of the person that either moderated or entirely altered my first impressions.

As for the question of intellect, I consent that, when it comes to people on the public stage, I probably tend to judge the attribute of intellect in a person based inordinately on his capacity for verbally expressing that intellect in a "think on your feet" type of atmosphere. In that respect Huntsman has never really impressed me--hence my earlier comment. On the other hand, I allow for the distinct possibility that he merely lacks a pronounced talent for extemporaneous speaking, but is a deep and deliberate thinker otherwise.

Again, thank you for your very substantive and informative contribution--something that, in the GSTP©, is conspicuous by its typical absence.

[Translation: I repent. Sort of.]

[sung on stage]Cause he is always true to the truth darling in his passions. Yes he always true to the truth darling in his way.

[_Gadianton]

...but on matters I believe I understand well, the intellect he displayed was considerable. Seemed like a bright, down-to-earth, humble guy.

[code="Will S"]I sincerely value your perspective, J Green. It adds to the bigger picture...

My impressions of Huntsman are entirely based on the public projection of his sincerity and intellect. I allow for the distinct possibility that he merely lacks a pronounced talent for extemporaneous speaking, but is a deep and deliberate thinker otherwise...

Again, thank you for your very substantive and informative contribution--something that, in the GSTP©, is conspicuous by its typical absence.[/code]

Whoa! Hold on a second, what is going on here? I haven't seen a 180 like this in a long time, and from Will, no less. I have to wonder if JGreen, considering his elite circle of friends, has shown up here to deliver a "tone it down" message to Will on behalf of their mutual associates. We've all heard stories about Huntsman loaning his private jet to the Brethren and his extraordinary generosity toward the Church. Is it possible that Huntsman is also a Liahona contributor to the MI, or has loaned his jet out for apologetic purposes at some time or another? It's certainly likely that Huntsman is key to those with oversight over the ranking apologists and that a mid-tier or senior apologist cutting him down is a huge political mistake that won't be tolerated by the old guard.

I'm getting the feeling we're witnessing one of those rare events where Will is struck paralyzed with fear, in this case, by a soft-spoken warning delivered from the "hand of death," so to speak, reaching from the dark and mysterious upper echelons of hierarchical power.

[_Gadianton]

...but on matters I believe I understand well, the intellect he displayed was considerable. Seemed like a bright, down-to-earth, humble guy.

I sincerely value your perspective, J Green. It adds to the bigger picture...

My impressions of Huntsman are entirely based on the public projection of his sincerity and intellect. I allow for the distinct possibility that he merely lacks a pronounced talent for extemporaneous speaking, but is a deep and deliberate thinker otherwise...

Again, thank you for your very substantive and informative contribution--something that, in the GSTP©, is conspicuous by its typical absence.

Whoa! Hold on a second, what is going on here? I haven't seen a 180 like this in a long time, and from Will, no less. I have to wonder if JGreen, considering his elite circle of friends, has shown up here to deliver a "tone it down" message to Will on behalf of their mutual associates. We've all heard stories about Huntsman loaning his private jet to the Brethren and his extraordinary generosity toward the Church. Is it possible that Huntsman is also a Liahona contributor to the MI, or has loaned his jet out for apologetic purposes at some time or another? It's certainly likely that Huntsman is key to those with oversight over the ranking apologists and that a mid-tier or senior apologist cutting him down is a huge political mistake that won't be tolerated by the old guard.

I'm getting the feeling we're witnessing one of those rare events where Will is struck paralyzed with fear, in this case, by a soft-spoken warning delivered from the "hand of death," so to speak, reaching from the dark and mysterious upper echelons of hierarchical power.

[_Will Schryver]

Whoa! Hold on a second, what is going on here? I haven't seen a 180 like this in a long time, and from Will, no less. I have to wonder if JGreen, considering his elite circle of friends, has shown up here to deliver a "tone it down" message to Will on behalf of their mutual associates.

LOL! (again)

I'm afraid I don't know JGreen, have never (to my knowledge) met the man, would not know him from Adam if I were to meet him, have no knowledge of his alleged "elite circle of friends," nor am I conscious of our having any "mutual associates."

And now you have decided to include him among my many so-called "handlers?" (With so many "handlers," one would expect me to better "handled" than I am ... right?)

Like your mentor, Doctor Scratch, you are a consummate fantasist.

We've all heard stories about Huntsman loaning his private jet to the Brethren and his extraordinary generosity toward the Church.

You're mistaking John Huntsman for his father, Jon Huntsman.

Is it possible that Huntsman is also a Liahona contributor to the MI, or has loaned his jet out for apologetic purposes at some time or another?

You are beyond ridiculous.

It's certainly likely that Huntsman is key to those with oversight over the ranking apologists and that a mid-tier or senior apologist cutting him down is a huge political mistake that won't be tolerated by the old guard.

You are beyond ridiculous.

I'm getting the feeling we're witnessing one of those rare events where Will is struck paralyzed with fear ...

Imodium is the customary treatment for that feeling.

... in this case, by a soft-spoken warning delivered from the "hand of death," so to speak, reaching from the dark and mysterious upper echelons of hierarchical power.

Something tells me JGreen will be as befuddled by your bizarre fantasies as I am.

[_Kishkumen]

You're mistaking John Huntsman for his father, Jon Huntsman.

That's right. By the way, and here I am not addressing, Will, wasn't there some rumor about Haight not having a testimony of the Book of Mormon being an ancient text?

If that were true, and I am not saying I have any knowledge of this, it would be an interesting coincidence that Jon, Jr. is likely some kind of New Order Mormon.

[_Kishkumen]

Whoa! Hold on a second, what is going on here? I haven't seen a 180 like this in a long time, and from Will, no less.

Whatever the reasons, it was indeed a stunning reversal. That was hardly the Will persona we have come to know and generally dislike. I guess the presence of a grownup Mormon had him inspired him to rethink his comments, for a change.

[_Gadianton]

And now you have decided to include him among my many so-called "handlers?" (With so many "handlers," one would expect me to better "handled" than I am ... right?)

Oh? I expect they are doing a fine job of handling you and that you are meeting their expectations nicely, as Scratch's recent portrait showed. I think you crossed the line here, however, and were told so. It's one thing to call women whores, it's quite another to criticize the intellect of a man with a lot of money, and who has ties to the upper ranks of the Church.

You think it's beyond ridiculous to suggest that a wealthy church member who was known for his generosity toward the Church could have contributed to the MI in some way?