Well, I'll Be Damned

[_MrStakhanovite]

Just because everyone thinks with their brains does not mean that they all are alike. Can you find one other person who ever had any answers for my 21 points of the New Mormon Theology? http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=457571#p457571

You think there are so many huh?

Is there some way you could pin those to the doors of the SLC Temple like Luther did at Wittenberg?

[_Nightlion]

Just because everyone thinks with their brains does not mean that they all are alike. Can you find one other person who ever had any answers for my 21 points of the New Mormon Theology? http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=457571#p457571

You think there are so many huh?

Is there some way you could pin those to the doors of the Salt Lake City Temple like Luther did at Wittenberg?

If I ever had already it is certain they were removed without so much as a look. Mormons think they do God's work being the most proud of all nations and people of the whole earth.

Really, I think the pride in their hearts has supplanted any other spirit. When they lose the spirit it is their pride that has been marred.

[_bcspace]

Simple. Have you checked the footnotes? Therein lies your answer.

Figures. I asked that you not be flippant and try to find some depth.

Just checking to see if you know your Book of Mormon. Apparently, you do not. Either that or the footnotes lead to an answer you don't want to acknowledge.

But herein is also illustrated another reason why you know nothing about the Book of Mormon. You treat it as a a separate work, something to stand up against, say, the Bible, when in fact the Book of Mormon testifies of the truthfulness of the Bible and the modern prophets. Therefore, any notion of the Godhead must square with all verses on the subject across all works of scripture and not just a couple of verses in one book.

[_Nightlion]

Just checking to see if you know your Book of Mormon. Apparently, you do not. Either that or the footnotes lead to an answer you don't want to acknowledge.

As excruciating as it is for me you force me to look into those insipid topically guided blind fiats to see how credible was its reference. For Mosiah 15:16 there is only one reference back to Mosiah 3:5. This is an error because that text does not mention that Christ is a father until verse 8. What sloppy blindness and shy casual diffidence, but still the reference to Christ being the father of heaven and earth is no more than him being the word of God's power as it says in the Gospel of John 1:3

The Sacrament prayer is address to God the Eternal Father. Mormons never address Christ or ever mention him as the Very Eternal Father. They all accept that this is a name title for God the Father. So it is proven sloppier still for not being relevant to the issue of how it is written that Christ is the Very Eternal Father. Fluff will do when fluff is all in all? Hmm?

It might interest your ignorance to know that references to Christ being the Eternal God, The Eternal Father were one of the most subtracted of all substantial items from the original text of the Book of Mormon.

Only my theology addresses competently and with relevant credibility how it is possible for Christ to be considered rightly the Very Eternal Father. It is a mystery LDS will not hear. They prefer to wallow in the slop of messy thinking and hapless feigned understandings that hold no substance at all.

You will not even consider the issue. You wave it off as a none issue with dismissive disregard. Like a real champion who loves the Lord........NOT!

But herein is also illustrated another reason why you know nothing about the Book of Mormon. You treat it as a a separate work, something to stand up against, say, the Bible, when in fact the Book of Mormon testifies of the truthfulness of the Bible and the modern prophets. Therefore, any notion of the Godhead must square with all verses on the subject across all works of scripture and not just a couple of verses in one book.

You notice how I leave your name in the quotes? I notice how you take pains to remove my name when it would naturally be included in a normal quote. And you ALWAYS have. lol.

And this last statement. Who is that about? I am the one who collects all scripture under one hand and the threads that tie the same doctrine are woven into one strong cord pulled from every word of scripture.

Are you hoping that by expanding the concept upon all scripture that it will blow away in the incomprehensibility of it all? Well, sorry, but some of us have paid the price to comprehend all scripture. I have no hairs out of place. Find one.

Jesus Christ is counted the Very Eternal Father because he it was that spoke the word of the will of His Father and brought forth by the power of the Holy Ghost the proto creation of all things in the organization of intelligence when all independent spheres of existence were assigned by the word of God's power whereby all creation cries Abba Father.

After this those who would be added upon were sent to gain their spirit bodies in what Mormons admit is their pre-existence. Which is really the second pre-existence. This is easily shown in the pure chronology of creation scripture.

[_Nightlion]

To better conclude. That Being who is responsible for bringing us into existence is the Very Eternal Father. LDS sloppy thought considers Christ was brought into existence the same as us and so have designated him only as a mere Elder Brother. This hokum is dispelled in the Book of Mormon and Christ is verified as our Maker. Which is what Christ says of himself but no Mormon ever wondered how's that against their other notions.

Since Mormon seldom think about it because they have so many cars to attend to Christ cannot be our Maker if he did not bring us into existence. Again if Mormons ever thought about it they would realize that this fact forces a rethinking of that which was never well thought through to begin with. When did we come into existence? Was it our spirit body birth to exalted parents who had the power of the continuation of the seeds both in the world and out of the world? This is as far as busy, busy minds were able to go.

1 Cor. 15: 46
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.

D&C 128: 14
14 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy; the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy; and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as are the records on the earth in relation to your dead, which are truly made out, so also are the records in heaven. This, therefore, is the sealing and binding power, and, in one sense of the word, the keys of the kingdom, which consist in the key of knowledge.

D&C 29:30-32
30 But remember that all my judgments are not given unto men; and as the words have gone forth out of my mouth even so shall they be fulfilled, that the first shall be last, and that the last shall be first in all things whatsoever I have created by the word of my power, which is the power of my Spirit.
31 For by the power of my Spirit created I them; yea, all things both spiritual and temporal—
32 First spiritual, secondly temporal, which is the beginning of my work; and again, first temporal, and secondly spiritual, which is the last of my work—


Corinthians and Section 128 refer only to the last two but nicely show the pattern of what is spiritual and what is temporal or earthy, which is by way of seeds. Yet the LDS scriptures accounts for four stages of creation and not the nominal three that LDS pride themselves on knowing so much more than the rest of the world.

So in the beginning there were also two acts of creation and one was by way of seeds or temporal,(or earthy for even when God commanded the man and woman he told them to be fruitful and multiply and replenish the EARTH even though it was before there was any flesh actually upon the earth.) and that insists that the very first act of creation was of God, by the word of his power.

The Very First act of creation was as D&C 93 says was when God appointed man an independent sphere of existence. This is not by way of seed conception. So the wise saint would have to take thought and imagine a stage of creation BEFORE being born with a spirit body. HECK they even know about the war in heaven and the council of the spirits that were organized. But for a hundred and fifty years no light went on in the cumbered attic of LDS thought.

No one had interest enough to suppose a SUPER CREATION EVENT when God appointed all things their respective spheres of existence. The Father, Son and Holy Ghost acted together to call upon the Light of Truth by way of commandment and the word of their power and bring forth an organization of intelligences. Thus all three are the Very Eternal Father.

After I was sent by the word of the Lord and received my appointment as an apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ (of God and not of men) I took no thought for my life, what I should eat, or how I would be clothed and spent almost five years at great sacrifice and effort and disciplined will to seek the kingdom of God and wrest it from the LDS standard works. To end what was stupefying in LDS traditions. This was a calling and responsibility that was put upon me by the Lord.

I guess it was high time that somebody loved the Lord enough to call down knowledge from heaven like a flood of the waters of the Missouri River. Thereby I once again proved my apostleship. For the envy of all things LDS I was put on official Church probation for my trouble and was hounded and hunted down until the hunters supposed I was at my most vulnerable, when casting me out would hopefully wreck my life, so that they could rejoice over such a thing, because I had embarrassed those who simply must be the most well thought of.

[_Nightlion]

Never got an email from this guy who is talking like he knows something.
So I posted a comment on his blog:

James Muir says:
May 27, 2011 at 2:57 am

I would like you to speak plainly and no more proverbs. Does anyone in the LDS Church today know how to lead a person to experience the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost? And I mean the real deal and not making more or less of it than what it is in all scripture. No imperceptible process, no choosing to be led by Christ and changing your OWN life accordingly day by day, but the visitation of the promise of the Father and being truly wrought upon and cleansed by the power of Christ’s redemption, having taken his name upon you by a mutual covenant that is accepted.
How does one get their covenant accepted by the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost?
I want to know if you are a true saint or not. I am testing you. Can you prove your discipleship?