Best Proof Of God Is God

[_Buffalo]

What works is repentance done right. Look down deep inside for how that is.
What does it profit if a proof is provided and it is not received? You can neither rejoice in the proof nor praise the giver of that proof. Not that God is dead, heaven forbid, but that man has deadened himself from the discovery of God by extreme prejudicial pride refusing the principles of meekness and humility and a broken heart that rings up the attention and anticipation and leading influence of a God who is at hand and not far off.

But really, Buffalo, what is circular about my reasoning? Get down to brass tacks if you can do more than pontificate a hollow buzzphrase.

Your argument is circular because the conclusion is the argument.

You know, when I was a kid bored in sac meeting I'd let my eyes unfocus and see all kinds of images in the rough carpet stuff on chapel furniture. I never tried to make a religion of it, though.

[_Some Schmo]

Schmo, I am so proud of you, humbly I am. You have rocketed from a slight admission to theist all on one page. What's next?

Thanks.

For my next trick, I'll martyr myself to exaltation... except I don't want to die (and I prefer experienced women to virgins), so I'll just fake my martyrdom. That's almost as good, right?

Smoke and mirrors, baby... smoke and mirrors.

[_Nightlion]

Schmo, I am so proud of you, humbly I am. You have rocketed from a slight admission to theist all on one page. What's next?

Thanks.

For my next trick, I'll martyr myself to exaltation... except I don't want to die (and I prefer experienced women to virgins), so I'll just fake my martyrdom. That's almost as good, right?

Smoke and mirrors, baby... smoke and mirrors.

Sounds like a Cat House to me. Where lots of experienced ladies hide.

Reminds me of a Dylan classic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwm-5ABSIs0

[_Some Schmo]

For my next trick, I'll martyr myself to exaltation... except I don't want to die (and I prefer experienced women to virgins), so I'll just fake my martyrdom. That's almost as good, right?

Smoke and mirrors, baby... smoke and mirrors.

Sounds like a Cat House to me. Where lots of experienced ladies hide.

Of course it does.

I guess for you, women fall into two categories: virgin or hooker. Interesting.

[_Nightlion]

Sounds like a Cat House to me. Where lots of experienced ladies hide.

Of course it does.

I guess for you, women fall into two categories: virgin or hooker. Interesting.

Not necessarily so, it was the smoke and mirrors that made me think of hookers.

Back in the day and possibly still I have memorized every word of that Dylan song: The Ballad of Frankie Lee and Judas Priest

[_Stormy Waters]

Thomas was never doubting the existence of Christ, only doubting that he had come back from the dead.

This actually works against your point. Thomas knew that Jesus existed. He had walked with him, talked him, had seen him perform miracles. So of course he didn't doubt the existence of Christ. He knew. But Thomas even knowing that Christ existed, even after the other apostles told him of his resurrection, he still doubted. I, on the other hand have not seen him. I haven't talked with him. His historical existence is disputed by some. I have much less evidence then Thomas had. So I have much MORE reason to need evidence to believe.

If you want to make the point that everyone is doing this with the same intent and a variety disproves all results as specious I simply disagree. Everyone is NOT applying themselves the same. MOST, I dare say, 99.99% do not apply themselves in the least bit. All that results is just filler. Few there be that find it.

So you're one of the .01 percent? How terrifically arrogant of you to suggest. To say that he exists, but that he doesn't answer them because they didn't ask him in the right way, or that they didn't try hard enough. Or maybe because they were born into the wrong religion. And for the 'sin' of 'not applying themselves' he will condemn them to an eternity in hell. Atheists will also be condemned to Hell because they don't think that relying on faith is virtuous. An eternity of punishment for the 'sin' of doubting him. Not punishment in the form of correction or discipline since you don't come out of hell. Just punishment in the form of vengeance. Your God's empathy seems to be easily trumped by his vanity.

The appearance of God in this generation would not take and none would be convinced of anything.

If you are spiritually autistic and must be wrestled to the ground by God and forced to acknowledge him how would that take? You would ignore it still.

You're the first person I've seen argue that God could appear to us and that we still wouldn't believe. But I guess you need to justify the lack of evidence for him any way you can. It seems to me far more likely that man invented God, and then had to come up with reasons that we can't see him. You say that the only way to discover God is by looking on the inside. I do believe you found God inside you. Inside your own imagination.

[_Nightlion]

So you're one of the .01 percent? How terrifically arrogant of you to suggest. To say that he exists, but that he doesn't answer them because they didn't ask him in the right way, or that they didn't try hard enough. Or maybe because they were born into the wrong religion. And for the 'sin' of 'not applying themselves' he will condemn them to an eternity in hell. Atheists will also be condemned to Hell because they don't think that relying on faith is virtuous. An eternity of punishment for the 'sin' of doubting him. Not punishment in the form of correction or discipline since you don't come out of hell. Just punishment in the form of vengeance. Your God's empathy seems to be easily trumped by his vanity.

God has commanded us to apply ourselves so that he can circumcise the foreskin of our hearts and put the love of God upon us. That was the Old Testament version of the gospel of Jesus Christ. And he was very serious about it back then:

Jeremiah 4: 4
4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Do you know a single person who has obeyed this commandment? Have you ever even heard of people acknowledging this? A thousand, a million some where? Perhaps a billion gave it a shot. No, none. I am certain.

.o1 percent of say, 20,000,000,000 is still 200,000,000, not bad. This earth is rumored to be the most wicked in all creation. So the percentages on other worlds should be better. What is arrogant in being one of 200,000,000?

Why do atheist think they have license to define things like hell and God and eternal justice? Do you really imagine that a God who created a perfectly balanced universe would allow the overburden of billions upon billions of failed souls to pile up eternity after eternity in the same pit? No good. Of course everyone gets out of hell, in their own good time and according to their desires to step off and come around again. Nothing wasted in the conservation of light and truth. I may have been around the block a few more times than you. Perhaps that is all the difference. This is not instant reincarnation mind you. This is one life or one trip around the bases per eternity of on the crank of the beginning and the end on God's eternal round.

All on deaf ears no doubt because you are a warrior for the vilification of God.