What were they both thinking at that moment?

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Sethbag wrote:Joseph is thinking "hmm, maybe I could get Emma to sell this fine hair to pay for a fob for the gold watch the brethren just gave me."


Oh that's good, Seth. But even better would have been to work in that story about two similar watches Joseph Smith gave Emma and I forget who else. Emma demanded the lady hand it over.

On a less snarky note, I don't doubt that there were real moments of tenderness between Joseph and Emma. They had a complicated, problematic relationship, no doubt there, but they were also pretty bonded to each other in ways I don't completely understand yet. Nevertheless, I doubt a scene like this is the best representation; I don't think it was that common for a man to brush his wife's hair for many reasons (I could be wrong, but I'm just going on what I know of 19thC feminine domestic habits). If I were commissioned to paint such a scene I could think of many other situations, both more historically, and perhaps emotionally, accurate. Emma tutoring Joseph (my guess is as an educated woman and former teacher, she helped Joseph Smith with his reading and writing), Joseph consoling Emma after the loss of their first child, Alvin, Joseph watching and marveling at Emma's resourcefulness in caring for the sick and indigent at Nauvoo House, even a diptych of the two of them writing letters to each other.

Anyway. I think this painting is a Swindle in more ways than one.
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Blixa wrote:
Sethbag wrote:Joseph is thinking "hmm, maybe I could get Emma to sell this fine hair to pay for a fob for the gold watch the brethren just gave me."


Oh that's good, Seth. But even better would have been to work in that story about two similar watches Joseph Smith gave Emma and I forget who else. Emma demanded the lady hand it over.

On a less snarky note, I don't doubt that there were real moments of tenderness between Joseph and Emma. They had a complicated, problematic relationship, no doubt there, but they were also pretty bonded to each other in ways I don't completely understand yet.

Perhaps co-conspirators?
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He is thinking "Meh, Olivers hair is softer..."
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sock puppet wrote:
Blixa wrote:They had a complicated, problematic relationship, no doubt there, but they were also pretty bonded to each other in ways I don't completely understand yet.

Perhaps co-conspirators?

According to William Law's final interview, the answer to that is "yes." Law pointedly stated that Emma was just as corrupt as Joseph.
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RayAgostini wrote:
zeezrom wrote:Darn it. I sense the beginnings of a fire storm on this thread... and it happens to be the one thread of mine tonight with a horrible image. Bleah.



You're not wrong. You would have been better off continuing to staying away. But I guess you can't resist thrusting the sword more and more into Mormons.

Let your hate grow, and this is the place to do it, in "fun", of course.

You're making a total ass of yourself. Better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than speak out and remove all doubt.


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"Schedule for this week: bang Emma, then Zina, then Nancy, then Martha, then Helen, then Lucy, then..."
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

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Dr. Shades wrote:
sock puppet wrote:Perhaps co-conspirators?

According to William Law's final interview, the answer to that is "yes." Law pointedly stated that Emma was just as corrupt as Joseph.


*sigh*. There's a lot you need to read, Shades.
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Blixa wrote:Anyway. I think this painting is a Swindle in more ways than one.

Do You speak German?
Or is this the yiddish word known by around (among others, in Hungarian) ?

My grandmother has used the word, when she was cheating in solitaire...
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ludwigm wrote:
Blixa wrote:Anyway. I think this painting is a Swindle in more ways than one.

Do You speak German?
Or is this the yiddish word known by around (among others, in Hungarian) ?

My grandmother has used the word, when she was cheating in solitaire...


My comment was a dumb pun based on the fact that the painting was by a well known LDS artist named Liz Lemon Swindle.

The word as it's used in English means pretty much the same as it did to your grandmother: to cheat someone or to perpetuate a fraud.

I had no idea it had a German etymology though! Schwindler sounds much more evocative! While I can still catch some meaning from simple spoken Deutsche, and laboriously read Rilke and Kafka with a dictionary in hand, my undergraduate German is in a very sorry state. Thanks for the lesson!
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