Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Hoops wrote:Everyone is assuming facts not in evidence. Zimmerman may, indeed, have said this word, but no one has evidence for it yet. All you have is commentary on the 911 tape. Even Mother Jones has on its script of the 911 call where this word was supposed to have been "unintelligible." In fact, I would say that the evidence leans against him saying this word because the word has a bit of a time stamp on it so I would doubt that Zimmerman would even be aware of such a word.

Now, let's turn it around. Let's say one of the OWS protestors said something like ... "Kill all the rich people," or the president sat in a pew in front of where a racist preached. All the tidy, condescending, arrogant, liberals on this board would....

Oh, wait. Never mind.


It appears now that Zimmerman did, indeed, use the word "coon." The fact that an innocent kid was murdered while an entire neighborhood is on the phone with the authorities, and the shooter is not even arrested let alone charged with anything is a much greater outrage than the shooter dropping a racial epithet, but it's relevant because it not only provides evidence that the shooter was not motivated by self-defense but may have been motivated by racial animus. It also could be relevant to the charges that probably should be filed.

Your hypothetical about OWS protestors and your snide remarks about people on this board who don't share your political ideology are misplaced and not relevant to the discussion.
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Equality wrote:
Hoops wrote:Everyone is assuming facts not in evidence. Zimmerman may, indeed, have said this word, but no one has evidence for it yet. All you have is commentary on the 911 tape. Even Mother Jones has on its script of the 911 call where this word was supposed to have been "unintelligible." In fact, I would say that the evidence leans against him saying this word because the word has a bit of a time stamp on it so I would doubt that Zimmerman would even be aware of such a word.

Now, let's turn it around. Let's say one of the OWS protestors said something like ... "Kill all the rich people," or the president sat in a pew in front of where a racist preached. All the tidy, condescending, arrogant, liberals on this board would....

Oh, wait. Never mind.


It appears now that Zimmerman did, indeed, use the word "coon." The fact that an innocent kid was murdered while an entire neighborhood is on the phone with the authorities, and the shooter is not even arrested let alone charged with anything is a much greater outrage than the shooter dropping a racial epithet, but it's relevant because it not only provides evidence that the shooter was not motivated by self-defense but may have been motivated by racial animus. It also could be relevant to the charges that probably should be filed.

Your hypothetical about OWS protestors and your snide remarks about people on this board who don't share your political ideology are misplaced and not relevant to the discussion.


What I don't get about Hoops is she thinks anyone who is outraged by this story has an agenda of some kind. I don't understand that line of thinking. I'm with you. An innocent kid was stalked and murdered by a wannabe cop with a gun and an itchy trigger finger for the crime of looking like he's up to no good, and the murderer is walking free. It seems like anyone with a sense of justice would be bothered by this story. Why would you have to have some kind of agenda?
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Equality wrote:
What do you mean "now"? It's always "appeared" this way. The question is whether or not he actually did use that word.Frankly, with such a highly charged subject as this, I'll need more to go on then "Florida Center... whatsits".

The fact that an innocent kid was murdered while an entire neighborhood is on the phone with the authorities, and the shooter is not even arrested let alone charged with anything is a much greater outrage than the shooter dropping a racial epithet,
fOne would hope. But that doesn't seem to be the case.

bu
t it's relevant because it not only provides evidence that the shooter was not motivated by self-defense but may have been motivated by racial animus.
Bit more complicated than that. He allegedy made the comment during his pursuit, not as he was pulling the trigger. The timing could've his comment could make this entirely something else.

It also could be relevant to the charges that probably should be filed.
Do you honestly think that if the Florida AG COULD file charges they still would NOT? Wow! Your tolerance for conspiracies is profound.


Your hypothetical about OWS protestors and your snide remarks about people on this board who don't share your political ideology are misplaced and not relevant to the discussion.
You don't know what my political views are.. so, once again, your talking out of your ass.

Be that as it may, my hypothetical was to show the glaring, monstrous, magnificent, splendid, superb, hypocrisy that is like a heavy, wool blanket on this board where anyone - as long as they have nothing but condescension for faith, are sickeninly arrogantly liberal, and are insufferably pedantic and repugnant - can say the most ridiculous things and they will get a pass. But let a Mormon make one comment born from frustration and the jackals bare their teeth and circle and snarl.
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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What I don't get about Hoops is she thinks anyone who is outraged by this story has an agenda of some kind.
You equate outrage with some sort of moral superiority.

I don't understand that line of thinking.
Obviously. Because your outrage is enough.

I'm with you.
How surprising.

An innocent kid was stalked and murdered
Allegedly.

by a wannabe cop with a gun and an itchy trigger finger
Yeah, you're not biased at all, as you sit in your easy chair at night and read books by foreign writers commenting on how society would be so much better off if it only would be lead by the elites.

how for the crime of looking like he's up to no good, and the murderer is walking free.
I'm sure this cabal of elected officials determined to eliminate minorities will be exposed soon.

It seems like anyone with a sense of justice would be bothered by this story.
IT seems like anyone with a sense of justice would wait for the investigation to conclude before stringing up this guy. If only he were Mormon, then we could really get him. Or, almost as good, if only he went to church SOMEwhere, that would prove it. Imagine if he went to a non-denom church, then we could really turn this against him. Sadly, he just might be a regular guy who doesn't go to church at all.

Better luck next time.

Why would you have to have some kind of agenda?
I don't know. Why do you?
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Hoops wrote:
Why would you have to have some kind of agenda?
I don't know. Why do you?


What is my agenda?
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Hoops wrote:
by a wannabe cop with a gun and an itchy trigger finger
Yeah, you're not biased at all, as you sit in your easy chair at night and read books by foreign writers commenting on how society would be so much better off if it only would be lead by the elites.


Who are you talking to?
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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Hoops wrote:
Be that as it may, my hypothetical was to show the glaring, monstrous, magnificent, splendid, superb, hypocrisy that is like a heavy, wool blanket on this board where anyone - as long as they have nothing but condescension for faith, are sickeninly arrogantly liberal, and are insufferably pedantic and repugnant - can say the most ridiculous things and they will get a pass. But let a Mormon make one comment born from frustration and the jackals bare their teeth and circle and snarl.


What are you talking about? What is it about the Zimmerman case that is causing these sorts of rants?
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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As a mother, for me, the racial implications take a back seat to the real tragic issue.

A child was shot, and is now dead. His only crime was walking to his father's house alone.

It does not matter if this child was black, white, or purple.

An innocent child is dead. That is the tragedy.
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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An innocent child is dead.


I would agree that all this transcends race. Most things do. But the one who killed him claims he was not innocent and all we have is his word and a 911 call.
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Re: Neighborhood watch killer was not racist

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bcspace wrote:
An innocent child is dead.


I would agree that all this transcends race. Most things do. But the one who killed him claims he was not innocent and all we have is his word and a 911 call.


Hey, BC, I didn't hear the 911 call. In the article referenced here, it says that the operator on the 911 call advised the shooter not to follow the teen, and he did, anyway. This seems very telling to me.

What was it that the teen-ager was supposed to have been doing? I can't see any reason for a citizen to shoot another human being, unless that person is endangering that citizen and/or his family. Even if it looked like the boy was going to sneak into a house to burgle someone, that wouldn't be a reason to shoot them. He was on the phone with 911. Let the police dispatch someone. That is their job.

There are just too many things here that don't add up to me.

Do you have anything that could add to this that would help clarify things?
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