THE LOC: What does.it cover.

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Since when is the prophet of the church receiving and writing down direct first person revelation from the Lord not authoritative or doctrinal?


You didn't at first mention writing it down, much less official publication.
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bcspace wrote:
Since when is the prophet of the church receiving and writing down direct first person revelation from the Lord not authoritative or doctrinal?


You didn't at first mention writing it down, much less official publication.


This just goes to show that you don't really believe in God. God spoke directly to the prophet, in his own words, but that's not good enough for you.

You worship the organization, not the deity supposedly at its head but silent since said revelation.
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You didn't at first mention writing it down, much less official publication.

This just goes to show that you don't really believe in God. God spoke directly to the prophet, in his own words, but that's not good enough for you.


God established the Church through his prophets and said Church has established publication as the one and only standard for doctrine. Such published doctrine is established by the prophets and apostles, therefore I believe in God because I accept the established words of his prophets. If such words are not officially published, then there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with as it relates to the Church.
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bcspace: Out of courtesy to those of us following the conversation, please learn how to use the quote function.
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"unholy, unnatural, or impure practices" and LoCh


Reading this type of threads, I simply can not react seriously.
I have no problem with the topic. Human behaviour, we can handle it the same way as eating with knife and fork, we can talk about it. Directions for use of our body, what is useful and what does cause dilapidation.


I don't understand the creators of LoCh and same restrictions (I remember the Roman Catholic equivalent I was taught when I was teen - or less.)
Are that antediluvians, - septuagenarians, octogenarians (octa?), supercentenarians who formulate these pseudo-laws - envious? Or did they forget everything? Or do they only repeat the fossilized "truths" they used to learn in primary - during the previous century?


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bcspace wrote:
God established the Church through his prophets and said Church has established publication as the one and only standard for doctrine. Such published doctrine is established by the prophets and apostles, therefore I believe in God because I accept the established words of his prophets. If such words are not officially published, then there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with as it relates to the Church.


So...the Temple rituals, ordinances and covenants are not doctrine (because they certainly haven't been published)?
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bcspace wrote:
This just goes to show that you don't really believe in God. God spoke directly to the prophet, in his own words, but that's not good enough for you.


God established the Church through his prophets and said Church has established publication as the one and only standard for doctrine. Such published doctrine is established by the prophets and apostles, therefore I believe in God because I accept the established words of his prophets. If such words are not officially published, then there is nothing for me to agree or disagree with as it relates to the Church.


Where is the first person revelation from God saying as much? Face it, you worship the church hierarchy, not God. The church is clearly in apostasy, a dead shell.
Parley P. Pratt wrote:We must lie to support brother Joseph, it is our duty to do so.

B.R. McConkie, © Intellectual Reserve wrote:There are those who say that revealed religion and organic evolution can be harmonized. This is both false and devilish.
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Drifting wrote:So...the Temple rituals, ordinances and covenants are not doctrine (because they certainly haven't been published)?
This would be worth of a new thread. The most important - most sacred - part of the life of the membership is not published.


The Temple. The Holy Temple. The Chimborazo of the gospel.
Noviciates - as the candidates of membership - know nothing about it.


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So...the Temple rituals, ordinances and covenants are not doctrine (because they certainly haven't been published)?


They are officially published. You just don't have access to them as they are esoteric.
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Re: THE LOC: What does.it cover.

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bcspace wrote:
So...the Temple rituals, ordinances and covenants are not doctrine (because they certainly haven't been published)?


They are officially published. You just don't have access to them as they are esoteric.


So no, not published to the membership therefore not official doctrine for the membership. Thanks for confirming that.
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