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_Doctor Scratch
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:Just so you know Daniel, my condolences in this thread came from the heart and I made this thread because I honestly felt others would like to express their own. I'm honestly disappointed if anyone used this as an opportunity to take a cheap shot at you, I personally think doing so is in extremely poor taste.

Once again sorry for your loss


Are you referring to his recent post, where he claims that I was attacking him? Well, people can read my post for themselves. I'm pretty sure my recollection was correct: he posted about his bro's passing, and the basic story arc concluded with them eating pastrami sandwiches, no? And he vowed to always consume a pastrami sandwich as a sort of "tribute"? What's wrong with that?
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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_LDSToronto
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:
LDSToronto's reply appears to be minimizing the death of a member of DCP's family though and I don't think grief can be measured in the number of weeks or the number of blog posts a person does or doesn't make. Maybe he didn't intend it, but it definitely comes across that way. I can't judge people's hearts only they themselves know what they intended but if anyone did use it as an opportunity to make an attack on DCP then I personally find that extremely inconsiderate and reprehensible.



Hasa,

Let me help you deal with your moral rectitude.

Dan mentioned his brother's death in the context of the larger debate over the Dehlin affair. Why Dan brings his dead brother into the debate is a matter of speculation; I suspect Dan wanted to leverage the halo effect - we feel sympathy for Dan's loss, and extend that sympathy to Dan's argument.

My comment served two purposes. First, stemelbow insinuated that the death of Dan's brother was public knowledge because someone divulged a private email. I showed this was untrue since Dan had written a tribute to his brother some weeks earlier. Second, I wanted to show that Dan was as prolific as ever and the loss had not seemed to have an impact on his ability to post or, clearly, waddle into debates.

Read my comment again - I mention nothing about how much grief Dan is feeling, only that he appears to be coping fine. You are stretching a long way if you feel this is an attack. If you want a real attack, throw a stone on this board and you'll hit a DCP-aimed invective easily.

It is known because Dan Peterson blogged about it and posted the link over on MD&D:

http://dcpsicetnon.blogspot.ca/2012/03/ ... -2012.html

His brother died 6 weeks ago. While sad, he seems to have been able to manage the grief as evidenced by his 127 blog posts since his death and numerous message board posts.
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_Jason Bourne
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Drifting wrote:No need to be sad, it's all part of the plan...




You really need to use a thread like this to take a swipe at the Church?

Scratch, well, you ought to remove your post above. Really?
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Dr Peterson

I express my condolences. I will also pray that comfort is sent your way.
_Yoda

Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Dan, I expressed my condolences to you privately, but let me also publicly express them here.

As you know, you and your family are in my prayers.

I am also very close to my brother. I just had the privilege of attending his wedding. I can't imagine what it would feel like to lose him.
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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It is possible to feel two things simultaneously. I feel both of the following:

1. Human sympathy with Daniel Peterson's loss.

2. The strong suspicion that LDSToronto may be right in the hypothesis he put forward when he wrote

Dan mentioned his brother's death in the context of the larger debate over the Dehlin affair. Why Dan brings his dead brother into the debate is a matter of speculation; I suspect Dan wanted to leverage the halo effect - we feel sympathy for Dan's loss, and extend that sympathy to Dan's argument.


In the words used by Kishkumen elsewhere in reference to LDS apologist polemics, I think DCP's posts are usually quite 'calculated'. That does not mean he is not hurting, and I am sorry that he is.
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Hi, Jason. No, I won't be deleting anything. My remark wasn't meant to be hurtful. If I wanted to be deliberately hurtful, I would say something like, "I genuinely believe that Dan is emotionally or mentally disturbed."

Speaking of which, it dawned on me today that there may be a rather ugly reason why he began saying this....
"[I]f, while hoping that everybody else will be honest and so forth, I can personally prosper through unethical and immoral acts without being detected and without risk, why should I not?." --Daniel Peterson, 6/4/14
_Shulem
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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Doctor Scratch wrote:Hi, Jason. No, I won't be deleting anything. My remark wasn't meant to be hurtful. If I wanted to be deliberately hurtful, I would say something like, "I genuinely believe that Dan is emotionally or mentally disturbed."

Speaking of which, it dawned on me today that there may be a rather ugly reason why he began saying this....


I have to agree with Scratch on this.

You know, it makes me wonder if it was Scratch's brother that passed away what kind of snide remarks DCP would have made on FAIR.

PS. DCP should cut back on eating donuts. They clog your heart and cause heart attacks. Do it Dan! Eat right. You can go without coffee and wine. Can you give up donuts? If not, you'll be dead sooner than you prefer. Fat and sugar mixed together is deadly food.

Just saying.

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Re: Daniel Peterson my sincerest condolences on your recent

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Dr. Dan,

I am very sorry to learn of your recent loss.

I pray that the Lord is near you and yours during this trying time.


Peace,
Ceeboo
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